The Spread Of Aimbots.

[Plague Bringer]

I've been shown tricks by an anonymous player to make the aimbot seem more human like. It doesn't land as many hits, but it's still a force to be reconed with. The only real way to detect botters now is with the 360* field of view.

[benmachine]

It's been said before that the best defence against pretty much everything is good administration. Obviously you can't have admins on everywhere all the time - but there's likely to be at least somewhere that has an admin on at any given time. So how about a system to let you see which servers are administrated from the server browser? That way we can better judge where we can go safe in the knowledge that problems will be dealt with promptly.
Also the r1admin's system of notifying everyone when an admin connects
is a step in the right direction, imo.

[Plague Bringer]

That's a great idea!

Not just for preventing botting, but just in general.

I'm suprised that hasn't been thought of before. o_o

[Survivor]

It's been said before that the best defence against pretty much everything is good administration. Obviously you can't have admins on everywhere all the time - but there's likely to be at least somewhere that has an admin on at any given time. So how about a system to let you see which servers are administrated from the server browser? That way we can better judge where we can go safe in the knowledge that problems will be dealt with promptly.
Also the r1admin's system of notifying everyone when an admin connects
is a step in the right direction, imo.

Yes and the cheaters and griefers would be able to go to the well-known servers when they are unadminned at first glance.

[benmachine]

Yes and the cheaters and griefers would be able to go to the well-known servers when they are unadminned at first glance.

They can have fun aiming perfectly at acid tubes on their own.

[Evlesoa]

haha... administration is perhaps the most powerful anti-cheat tool out there... Im guessing those that are learning coding adapt q3 aimbots to trem, but those experienced enough make their own. Also for human aiming, its not a hard thing to do, you just make it aim behind the target slightly, which will seem / appear to the target that you are a good player but cant get every shot in. This bot doesnt exactly do human aiming, but there are ways of doing it that a few people know.

Sometimes bots that have added human aiming, seem a lot like the player, because the aiming isnt jerky, its rather sluggish, and smooth. It also doesnt aim thru walls, even if you can see the target thru walls. So one way or another, there are ways of masking up (or at least temporarily) the use of an aimbot...

I think the only thing Trem can do, as null said, is detection. If something is dependent on a variable, then trem scans the startup client, and if it finds something, it attempts to detach it, if that fails gives an error and shuts down. They do this with other games like GunZ, with X-TRAP (AKA X-Crap)

[Diggs]

Maybe its too simple for our aimbotters,but my brother ( a.k.a. Critical ), told me witch "hardware component" u could use. It is MAC Address of netwrok card.

Anyone can change their MAC address to anything they wish at any time: even in windows, and without installing any additional software.

What if it was done off the cable/dsl modem MAC address?  If you change that MAC address, you no longer have internet service as most provisioning of modems is done from that unique address.  It won't help with dial-up users, but...

[benmachine]

It still doesn't matter because the client can send us whatever it likes and claim that it's the MAC address of the modem. Unless we have an external verification method, it's no more secure than the GUID system.

[gareth]

this thread has a crap content of 99.99%.

[null]

this thread has a crap content of 99.99%.

all due to posting like that

and yes, admins are the best tools but that doesnt mean you should depend on them

[Nux]

this thread has a crap content of 99.99%.

all due to posting like that

You agree AND you say he's talking crap?

I'd say it isn't 99.99%, but if gareth keeps posting it might be. =)

[bsel]

I just want to refer to this comment: http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=57506#57506

[tuple]

This is much, much worse than a double post, it's a multi-thread double post!    But I wanted it known, so people can feel as if they are taking meaningful action (to what degree they can) by hopefully passing their information along to people who can do something about it, the admins.

Folks, you will help servers a lot if you demo these occurrences and report them to the server.  Reporting them here means we all look at the demo and think "yup, that's an aimbotter" but are powerless to do anything.  Reporting it to the server means that the operator can IP ban them, or even report them to other operators if they should decide to.

The problem with demos here is that people who can do anything about it have only the name to go on, something which can generally be faked easily.  Server admins won't see the IP of that name, something which is not so easily faked.

If you can't find out how to contact the server's operator/admins (hey, I can be that dense sometimes...lot of times... :-P ) and you feel you must post here, try to include the server it was seen on, and the date, time, and timezone!  This greatly helps admins parse the logfiles for any information that can be gathered from them.

[NiTRoX]

Can't you just use cyberpunk or programs like that? :S

[BeerBastard]

At least they are reporting it. Also all the server owners may not look here, but alot of admins do. We admins can't really do anything based on a name though. We need an IP.

[PIE]

Folks, you will help servers a lot if you demo these occurrences and report them to the server.  Reporting them here means we all look at the demo and think "yup, that's an aimbotter" but are powerless to do anything.  Reporting it to the server means that the operator can IP ban them, or even report them to other operators if they should decide to.

I think its easier and makes more sense if server admins come to the forums in the first place. I suspect like most greifing aimbotters won't keep hitting up just a single server, and this can give advance notice to admins who have yet to be hit. It also can give them an idea of what to look for and what aliases the botters are using. Banning someone on sight without catching them doing it isn't good, but with a name and an idea of what it looks like these posts can help admins more than direct reporting.

[PFB]

I've been shown tricks by an anonymous player to make the aimbot seem more human like. It doesn't land as many hits, but it's still a force to be reconed with. The only real way to detect botters now is with the 360* field of view.

oh another aimbot searcher

[null]

just a laugh for everyone.. sent to me in pm.

From: gundown     on: Today at 04:30:12 PM
how do i disable ads on aimbot please i would like to learn how.

email is
hassanjamalyusuf@yahoo.com

please i know your busy but could u please help a player out.

Yep, hes quitting alright! silly thing is, all he has to do is not hit "delete"

[Dracone]

Well there's been a lot of posts about who aimbots and who doesn't. They don't have guid's so they'll just change their name and knowing who aimbots and who doesn't as for random people won't really do much.

I think if someone finds out that someone really unexpected is aimbotting, some Tremulous player who's aimbotting makes you go "O...mah...gawshness.....I can't believe HE'D do this....." is aimbotting, that should be posted. But for now, this spread has gotten a little too far and I think it'd be best to refrain from posting every single aimbotter video.

[Evlesoa]

just a laugh for everyone.. sent to me in pm.

From: gundown     on: Today at 04:30:12 PM
how do i disable ads on aimbot please i would like to learn how.

email is
hassanjamalyusuf@yahoo.com

please i know your busy but could u please help a player out.

Yep, hes quitting alright! silly thing is, all he has to do is not hit "delete"

BWAHAHHHA That made be drink some lmaonade BWAHAHAHA!! what a fking noob...

[PFB]

evlesoa it is you who led null here
you deserve a ban

[jit]

whats an injector to the tremulous.exe file? GH clan accused me of aimbotting even if i have a GUID and say i use one of these injectors. i only play w/ skill and their dretchs sux so it wus easy to kill.

[Plague Bringer]

just a laugh for everyone.. sent to me in pm.

From: gundown     on: Today at 04:30:12 PM
how do i disable ads on aimbot please i would like to learn how.

email is
hassanjamalyusuf@yahoo.com

please i know your busy but could u please help a player out.

Yep, hes quitting alright! silly thing is, all he has to do is not hit "delete"

BWAHAHHHA That made be drink some lmaonade BWAHAHAHA!! what a fking noob...

He can rewrite that ad, also, somewhere. Or just unbind delete, right?

[Repentance]

what does unbind del have to do with anything?

[null]

whats an injector to the tremulous.exe file?

injector is the program that puts a dll into a program, or in terms of tremulous hacking puts the hack inside of the game.

also, you cannot unbind delete - but you can change the message through hex editing or even a recompile.

[Evlesoa]

I should be banned for leading Null here? LOL! dont make me die of laughter... it is not ME who lead anyone here... this development began what... a year ago? Work on the hack began before ANYONE knew it, i mean, he told me when he was half way thru it... then he scrapped it, and restarted. It was so long ago, its last year news. So dont say "ME" cuz i bet he knew it before that.

Yea... it probably was me who got the word about tremulous, but from time to time I started seeing hack posts, and so... Null made something lol

[Warrior]

Don't tell the magic name!! Or people will start searching for it!

Edit: He already removed it from the above post.

[PIE]

Stuff

Well i'm sure you tried your best to convince him not to make it and tried to foil him at every turn and even threatened to smack his mother around a bit.. so we must appreciate the effort and the consideration you gave to the tremulous community.

Don't tell the magic name!! Or people will start searching for it!

Before anyone wants to be a smartass, we have a very hostile policy towards this type of thing so you're going to really really want to think this through and think of how much you love your mother and her rosy cheeks.

[Survivor]

Warrior made that statement in good faith regarding a certain noun which combined with another well known noun on this forum could lead people to a bot.

[Plague Bringer]

You're talking about the website adress?