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Puzzola

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« Reply #90 on: July 06, 2007, 01:10:36 am »
Pro inglich spikeur

jaywor

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« Reply #91 on: July 06, 2007, 07:27:09 am »
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Heroic act, or why promod sux  (3 Mo)


It's a normal spot that we would use anyway. It would be plain stupid to rush their base. And =V='s rush was a normal thing. If they would camp (without mod) the same would happen but instead of rifles they would have shotguns. Pity that you show only "negative" aspects of our games. If you don't enjoy it why do you bother specing it? Has anyone of us done something to you and now you seek personal vengeance. And try to Flame everything we do? Coz' that's how it looks like now.

Now back to the topic.

I think everyone spectating the match had so much entertainment as we did playing the game (with one exception above). Too bad that Italian ISP is a fucktard(=V= high ping). Both maps were action packed and there were almost none boring moments. GG

P.S.: C'mon people more positive feedback please. I know that all the spectators enjoyed the game. Let's show those anti-league ppl that they are alone. ;)

Mine POV demos:
http://lawl.be/dir/Demos/Clan%20Wars/ETL/ETL_V_LEAD_Jaywor_Gloom_Aliens.dm_69
http://lawl.be/dir/Demos/Clan%20Wars/ETL/ETL_V_LEAD_Jaywor_Gloom_Human.dm_69
http://lawl.be/dir/Demos/Clan%20Wars/ETL/ETL_V_LEAD_Jaywor_UTCSb2_Human.dm_69
I've forgot to record when we were plaing aliens on UTCSb.

Sboub's spectator demos:
http://lawl.be/dir/Demos/Clan%20Wars/ETL/ETL_V_LEAD_Sboub_Gloom_Spec1.dm_69
http://lawl.be/dir/Demos/Clan%20Wars/ETL/ETL_V_LEAD_Sboub_Gloom_Spec2.dm_69
http://lawl.be/dir/Demos/Clan%20Wars/ETL/ETL_V_LEAD_Sboub_Utcs_Spec1.dm_69
http://lawl.be/dir/Demos/Clan%20Wars/ETL/ETL_V_LEAD_Sboub_Utcs_Spec2.dm_69
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[A]

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« Reply #92 on: July 06, 2007, 09:38:37 am »
As i seen on gloom, except their horrible ping, =V= made 2 errors and they paid the prize :

- Staying in base in 1rst game minute : Gloom is a linear map, human could arrive in same time in middle map as alien and have a huge advantage from the size of the room and because alien have 1 doors to cross, 1 door that human could block easily versus dretchs. So lead dretches has taken control of the midle map.

- Only one spawn : You had to wait too many time for respawning everyone of you.

By the way, the alien teamplay from lead was very goods, as i think, nobody toke a stage from the control point, all stage was done by fragging, so gg to both team !


Now, one word on =V= team :

=V= is a very good team, and they are all except cowards, they accepted to play in an exhibition tournament where they knew the 3 others teams should be more skilled than them and that all the matches should be played on a server where they should have bad pings. Instead of whining against the promod patch and supporting camping strategy because they have a huge disadvantage with their opponents, they tried, tried and will try again because they wanna do it. They are not afraid by losing if the game could bring them something new, something good. It's that kind of team who will finish by mastering their own teamplay and will rules teams more skilled.

In one sentence, i m very glad and proud to play the tournament (and by the same way my last games on tremulous) with =V= team !

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kappolo

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« Reply #93 on: July 06, 2007, 10:52:15 am »
Well... seems that, as =V= leader, i have to say something about the last posts.

Firstly, i have to thank Jaywor, Eye and all the (CY) for their support.
They all understood the spirit with which we accept the challenge of an European Tournament surelly difficult for us: i think, and my mates think it too, that all the occasions are good to improve ourselves. Even with the worst ping of all the european countries and against some of the best european clans.

Every time something had gone wrong, we tried to understand why, never complaining about "external problems", just trying to understand where WE have made mistakes. Losing had never been a problem for us, if that can be a way to bring us to a better level.

I'm glad we have found clans, and perhaps friends, that understood our difficulties.
Personally, i can tell that i'm satisfied by this tournament: the games are pretty amusing, and surely we have learnt a lot by challenging very skilled clans  :wink:

Finally, i have to thank specially tv and Eye for their work and for the words they had said for us. I'm honored of all that.
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Puzzola

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« Reply #94 on: July 06, 2007, 03:43:05 pm »
I don't flame teams (except maybe CY ;)), and this tournament give me the opportunity to watch really nice games, it's a good animation, for the participants as for the spectators.

The =V= are absolutely not cowards to do a suicide rush on repeater just to touch it and maybe kill some goons. I just criticize a mod who change Tremulous in a counter strike -like with only rounds of fight and a final rush at the end, which force humans to be more suicidal that they must, aliens less agressive and more powerfull (etc).

A mod which give you an advantage to build an outpost, you build an outpost or play a normal game. A mod which give you an advantage to camp or protect an area, you camp or protect this area, or play a normal game. It's easier to control a repeater which isn't in a base cuz aliens are totally independants of their base. It's a fact no ?

The "heroic act" video don't show a normal rush human, it show humans running through alien's line to touch a repeater which is going to give a stage to aliens, the summum of the feed, an obligatory feed to be less in the shit.

I criticize those who don't accept that the area of fights depends of the team (alien/humain) which is dominating at this moment (near human's base when aliens are dominating, near middle of the map to alien's base when humans are dominating), which is nothing to see with camping, and depends of the strategy and choice of players, not a definite static zone by promod's creators which limit the possibilites and make aberrations.

(I can post a video of a situation which oblige to what somebody call "camp", but which is staying near (not in) the base and trying to give less kills, i don't call it "camping strategy". Moreover there did not need the promod to make it possible the aliens to gain the part, nor of S3, just to take risks whereas they dominate)
Pro inglich spikeur

Nux

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« Reply #95 on: July 06, 2007, 06:52:23 pm »
To those who see holding the control point as camping:

The mod is discouraging the use of base defences to gain kills (having them protect the humans/aliens while they pick off attackers). You cannot build around the control point so it is left to the control point holders to defend themselves. This isn't to see that staying at the control point is a good idea- though it does attract opposition it's not entirely wise to stay in one spot for too long.

On the other hand, building mini-bases near (but not too near) the control point isn't prevented and (CY) use this tactic quite alot. If they lose alot of hp they can run back to the base defences they have placed nearby. Though they don't stay near the defences most of the time, this is most likely because they've no need to stay put and would rather move forward and get kills.

If enough people don't like this mod it won't be a success. If people decide it helps then it might be well accepted. In the end it's only a mod and won't disturb you while you're playing the standard game.

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« Reply #96 on: July 07, 2007, 02:17:50 am »
Quote from: "Puzzola"
I don't flame teams (except maybe CY ;)), and this tournament give me the opportunity to watch really nice games, it's a good animation, for the participants as for the spectators.

The =V= are absolutely not cowards to do a suicide rush on repeater just to touch it and maybe kill some goons. I just criticize a mod who change Tremulous in a counter strike -like with only rounds of fight and a final rush at the end, which force humans to be more suicidal that they must, aliens less agressive and more powerfull (etc).

A mod which give you an advantage to build an outpost, you build an outpost or play a normal game. A mod which give you an advantage to camp or protect an area, you camp or protect this area, or play a normal game. It's easier to control a repeater which isn't in a base cuz aliens are totally independants of their base. It's a fact no ?

The "heroic act" video don't show a normal rush human, it show humans running through alien's line to touch a repeater which is going to give a stage to aliens, the summum of the feed, an obligatory feed to be less in the shit.

I criticize those who don't accept that the area of fights depends of the team (alien/humain) which is dominating at this moment (near human's base when aliens are dominating, near middle of the map to alien's base when humans are dominating), which is nothing to see with camping, and depends of the strategy and choice of players, not a definite static zone by promod's creators which limit the possibilites and make aberrations.

(I can post a video of a situation which oblige to what somebody call "camp", but which is staying near (not in) the base and trying to give less kills, i don't call it "camping strategy". Moreover there did not need the promod to make it possible the aliens to gain the part, nor of S3, just to take risks whereas they dominate)



Nothing new as you already said, you like to repeat yourself (for good and bad aspects you are describing). :-)

The only think i will remember from my own experience, with the promod, i plaid the best games in all my trem time (ffa and matches). read again my sentense, i said with the promod not because the promod. but between the two form, there is only one step ...

People will decide if they wanna play with it, for me the most important point is that we arrive to make a (fake) tournament which works. And i hope the teams will use it to make growing up the clan scene in Europe ... With or without promod or both or whatever, i dont really care, but play people, competition with good spirit and fairness is the most in a game imo :-)

5 matches remaining :

cy v lead second part
flame v lead
cy v =V=

Big final  (prediction : cy v flame)
little final (prediction : lead v =V=)

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« Reply #97 on: July 07, 2007, 02:54:44 am »
i not see server
will sort out my sig, or I will get banned.

HOW DO I SORTED SIG?

Nux

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