European Exhibition Tournament

[tv]

The time has finally come, for a real Tremulous tournament.

I have seen a lot of attempts to such a thing, every two weeks a newbie tries to organize his own for the french community. I can't say I'm really surprised, but it never worked out. Anyway, with my fellow clan-friends, I've put a lot of thought into this.

We've developped a Mod, and it's all explained here. Now... I'm sure some of you will hate this idea. I've had people telling me it could never work, blablabla, without even trying it.
Well, I'm not going to ask you to try it, and I'm not asking you to join my tournament.

Right now, in order to promote this Mod, and to show how it's much more enjoyable to play with it, we'll be having an Exhibition Tournament.
4 of the best European clans will play against each others for two weeks on a server who will host up to 20 spectators during every game, starting tomorrow.

Here's the planning :
 * 02/07 17:00 GMT - CY vs lead / done.
 * 03/07 19:00 GMT - [F]lame vs =V= / done.
 * 04/07 19:00 GMT - [F]lame vs CY / done.
 * 05/07 19:30 GMT - lead vs =V= / done.
 * 06/07 19:00 GMT - CY vs =V= / POSTPONED.
 * 07/07 19:00 GMT - [F]lame vs lead / done.


All the matches will be played on DASPRiD's ProMod.
The server will be locked, and the password will be : promod

Rules, settings, demos and results can be or will be found here.

You're all invited.

[.f0rqu3]

lolmod?

[Puzzola]

"Pro"Mod... xD

I don't know how to attack a base, so i camp in the middle of the map and wait S3 or feeders  

I'm sur that this mod is a pub for a french site: http://www.promod.com/odyssee/src/Home.asp?lg=FR

Pom pom pom...

[Repentance]

hey, this sounds pretty neat. hope it works out for ya.

[Plague Bringer]

Are you aware of teh severe disadvantage humans have at S1? Dretch headshots mean they have to stay close to base for the medi's. It's not girly, it's strategic. Camping is only camping if you have an advantage over the other team. Humans camping untill they get head protection is smart, and since most humans can be taken out in a 1v1 fight, doing anything but staying close to the base is basically feeding.

I'm not against the over all idea, I'm against your examples. Infact, I'm pissed that you think that's a "girly" way of playing.

Also, you do know that without structures it's unlikely humans will be able to hold that point for a constant six minutes, unless of course you give them an armoury and a medistation. It really seems that you are unaware of most of the human nuances in this game. Maybe you should consider playing some other game.

[tv]

Maybe you should consider that the point of this mod is to get players out of their base, and if that's done, then there's no reason any team should get a stage and credits just for holding a point.

The basic idea was to make a mod, or a patch, that would prevent camping teams from winning (and make those boring games end faster....), while not changing the gameplay when neither team would camp (the least possible anyways).

The point HAD to be unholdable against a not-camping team.

Dretches have no advantage over rifles... and camping isn't smart, it's boring. I'll tell you, the game is sufficiently balanced when both teams fight without structures around.

[Plague Bringer]

I'm not even going to bother argue with you if you're going to be closed minded about this.

[tv]

You're complaining about how it's impossible to control the point for 6 minutes in a row, as humans, if aliens aren't camping. But that's the whole point of this mod. What am I supposed to say ?

I played these games were there are naked humans and dretches all around, and humans won as often as aliens, so again... what can I say ?

Don't be offended by the "girly" I used. I enjoy the games where everybody is rushing all the time, and I don't see any interest in playing against humans who are going to camp on their turrets until they get an advantage over the other team.

I don't think you deserve to get S2 if all you did was camp.

[Azrael07]

You give a big avantage for team strong to control the map and strongless to attack bases (hum.... CY for exemple ?), and you still the skill of teams strong to attack bases before s3, who know make speed bloody rush, but weak to keep a map control.

You say to control the point for 6minutes is impossible ? is it really impossible if... for exemple aliens are s2 and humans still s1 ?

So, you remove all chances to humains to catch again the advantage.

You affect tremulous to give it only what you want.
It's easy to say it's work, have you test it against campers teams, or only with friendly fair-play teams ?

I have interest for a tournament, but a tournament without this patch.

Maybe it could be a good mod, but it's not tremulous.

[Plague Bringer]

As Azrael said, a real Tremulous tournament is one that runs base Tremulous 1.1.0. No extra patches, just plain Tremulous. What's the point of having the control point if you can't hold it for 6 minutes? To get people to fight over it? It's pointless.

Look, humans are base dependant, one headshot and they're screwed, they have to stay close to base or else they're feeding. What don't you get about that?

I'll bet you're one of the tyrant that hides around the human base exit screaming "CAMPERS" at the naked humans.

[tv]

I'll bet you're one of the tyrant that hides around the human base exit screaming "CAMPERS" at the naked humans.

Nope, I'm one who hardly ever plays alien because I'm bored of the camping humans. So I play human and rush. Believe it or not, I've won games.

[[Kcorp]Noobius]

against who?

[tv]

You.

[[A]]

Hey guys, what do you think about just watching the exhibition to see what will going on with the plug in and after you will talk about what you have seen ?

Or if you don't want, you could just let this this topic down and continue your way ....

[tv]

Planning updated.

[Punkbuster]

it's simple mathematic, whit strafejump or bunnyhop  Aliens can be 4 time faster then every Human, the rest is history. Aliens can camp and hold mapcontrol at same time, Human's can't , they are to slow. Now it is said everything, however not yet by everyone.

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

I'll bet you're one of the tyrant that hides around the human base exit screaming "CAMPERS" at the naked humans.

Nope, I'm one who hardly ever plays alien because I'm bored of the camping humans. So I play human and rush. Believe it or not, I've won games.

Really?

How many times did you die rushing the aliens, or were you playing on an empty server?

Its just gay yelling Come out Campers when there are a bvazillion rants and goons outrside while humans are on S1, its totally lame.

[[Kcorp]Noobius]

You.

that pretty much says it all seeing how i'm a noob.

[[A]]

I m afraid to see that all people are resigned to think that alien are too strong to rush at s1 ... :-/

Buy skill plz

[Lava Croft]

Good luck with your Domination Tourney! Only too bad you are dumb enough to call it 'promod'. Such a name can only mean utter failure

[jaywor]

Don't like it? Don't play it! Simple.

GL to all the participating teams.

And to those who rant on this topic. Learn to play a non-camping game with your clanmates. Yeah i know. It's too much skill involved for you to do such thing.

[A_Total_noob]

Noes...


camping is a integral part of the game. It should not be prevented under any circumanstances.

Any anti-camp = phail.

Good idea for the tournament, but if there is one thing you do, remove the 'anti-camp'.

[Ezra]

We remove anti-camp plugin when teams stop camp vs us.

[Azrael07]

So we don't take part to your tournament :p

[jaywor]

Noes...


camping is a integral part of the game. It should not be prevented under any circumanstances.

Any anti-camp = phail.

Good idea for the tournament, but if there is one thing you do, remove the 'anti-camp'.

Have you ever played a clan war? I'm almost sure that you didn't. Camping isn't a part of the game. If both teams were caming the game would make no sense.

[ThePyro]

Look, humans are base dependant, one headshot and they're screwed, they have to stay close to base or else they're feeding.

By that same logic, one quick rifle burst kills a dretch, therefore aliens are equally screwed.

I've seen many human teams do extremely well by rushing early.  The key is to stick together.  A human by himself has little chance to escape a dretch if his initial rifle bursts go astray.  But if he's with a group then the other humans can cover him while he reloads and/or runs back to base to heal after getting a head bite.  And even if he's killed, the dretch is also likely to die.

There are other factors at work, of course.  Certain maps will favor the alien team regardless, as will a larger number of players on the server.  But it is not true that humans must camp to do well.  Frequently I'd argue that camping is what dooms the human team - they are unwilling to leave their base and chase down injured aliens, so the alien attack is prolonged indefinitely.

[Raytray]

Camping is a tactic to an extent.

If one team is camping it's ass off for 43 minutes while the other team just rushes and rushes and rushes trying to win without camping. That ruins the scrimmage.

However, something that forces both teams to do something more than get frags and s3 then kill base would be much welcomed.  However, giving stages aren't really a good thing. I'd rather have domination over pro-mod.

What good is a clan that can't gather it's own stages without protecting a certain point of a map.

Also, seems alien biased because a goon could just pounce through it all and touch it instantly. Which is very hard to stop with rifles. Even with 3 shotguns, a goon will be able to pounce through and touch the point.

Good luck with the mod though.

[tv]

What good is a clan that can't gather it's own stages without protecting a certain point of a map.

If you ever play with this mod, don't except to gain your stages by control.

Again, if no teams are camping, the control will never be kept for 6 minutes, thus, the gameplay will go as usual and you'll get your credits and stages by fragging.

[Lava Croft]

CY: The only clan in the entire universe that does not camp.
Respect them!
Believe in them!
And you will recieve from them!

[jaywor]

CY: The only clan in the entire universe that does not camp.
Respect them!
Believe in them!
And you will recieve from them!

Yeah, that was lame. I don't have anymore arguments. So lets flame somebody to be cool. Bravo!