tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???

[blood2.0]

someone who is a good writer and a good speller email Microsoft asking for some highly paid devs to work for tremulous.  its worth a shot

[Zipped]

Tremulous is a free software, so why are you waiting Trem 1.2 from old devs ? Do it yourself, or help "new" dev teams with feedback and ideas, they're more open of players ideas.

[Modplanman]

I can't even be arsed to finish reading David's post. I'm sorry to be so insulting but you're so full of pure elitist bullshit.

Needless to say David, a game is for purposes of entertainment, no different to film, TV, etc. Coding for a game means you are working towards a piece of entertainment.

You're splitting hairs for coding for a game is rather pointless. It's like saying a comedians job is to only think of jokes. Yes, jokes which then in turn have to be funny and make people laugh. Just like when making code for a game, which in turn has to do something useful for that game, namely make it fun to play.

I'm sorry but to deny gaming is an entertainment form is just ridiculous. Fine, if this game was still just some small hack sitting on some coders personal PC with didn't have legions of fans I'd accept that as being for his personal gain, but as soon as that small hack turns public and is released, then it's simply standard that focus is going to shift from you to the gamers that play it. To not expect that is idiotic or extremely naive, especially with something that then gets regular development as Tremulous has/did.

Again, the fact it's free does not mean we should shutup. As I've already stated several times and your massive self centered head can't seem to get around is, nothing should be free of criticism, but at the same time that doesn't mean any of us are any less appreciative of the work that's done - sometimes there's just no denying when something is shit, to put it frankly. Millions of dollars and hard work go into plenty of Hollywood and indie films and individual hard garft on Youtube films, but that still doesn't stop them from being shit and people telling them so.

And games companies don't listen to gamers? Bullshit. Why would they have focus groups, play tests, etc etc. World renowned Miyamoto (whatever you personally think of him) got where he is by testing games with random people and listening to their complaints (see a dozen and one interviews he's had). Just because you don't always see it doesn't mean it never happens. I'm sorry but you are indefinitely the ignorant one, or at least have a major chip on your shoulder.

[Atom Eve]

Long whiny rant.

But tell us how you really feel.

[Fuzzball]

Hooo boy...here we go. Grab a beer, grab the sofa, and settle in for some good ol' forum mudslinging.

On that note, it's about time I put my dollar in the hat and passed it left.

Take the pragmatic view.  What use are happy people.  What's the benefit?

What use are happy people, what benefit are they? I'll tell you what benefits happy people have. Self-satisfaction for the developers and a friendlier satisfied-to-dickhead ratio of community members, exampled by (respectively) the normal Tremulous members to, well, you.

And the "other peoples satisfaction before yours" is pure bullshit.  I should work hard, for free, putting your needs before mine?  Why would anyone want to do that?

The Tremulous development team is entirely volunteer-based. As far as I know, everyone working on 1.2 is doing it as a HOBBY, as in, something they do because they love it. They're satisfied just working on it; the admiration, recognization, and the other perks from the community are bonuses for their work.

This isn't the entertainment business.  Its a coding job.  They're coders who wrote it to prove they could, like the good little hackers they are.  If entertainment was the aim, they would have gone into a different business.

Really? Computer game coding isn't ENTERTAINMENT? What is it then? Madness? Sparta? Swiss cheese?

Again, not the entertainment business.
And see the above bit about game design.  Big studios don't listen to a word people say.  There doing just fine.

Big studios don't listen to their customers? Hmm...I guess they waste all that money on focus groups, beta testers, etc. just to boost hype. They had me fooled!


Alright, next poster; your turn to take a swing at this fucker.

One more thing; anyone got a quarter? We can send David here downtown to have a rat gnaw his ego down a little bit.

[Atom Eve]

You boys are all so cute when you get up in arms over these little internet squabbles. :')

[IHaveWitnessed]

Wow, people still pay attention to David? 


...I thought people would stop doing so when he vehemently defended a cheater.

You boys are all so cute when you get up in arms over these little internet squabbles. :')

Who are you? Normally I wouldn't ask this of new users, but all of your posts thus far have been completely useless and lack wit.

[Atom Eve]

Who are you? Normally I wouldn't ask this of new users, but all of your posts thus far have been completely useless and lack wit.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

[kevlarman]

Who are you? Normally I wouldn't ask this of new users, but all of your posts thus far have been completely useless and lack wit.

i will ask you the same question.

[David]

Atom Eve is part of the tremulous community, which I should point out spreads well beyond this forums.  As it is, I would say that this is a small part, all the big names don't really come here.  And I don't blame them.

Hooo boy...here we go. Grab a beer, grab the sofa, and settle in for some good ol' forum mudslinging.

Or we can have an intelligent discussion.

Take the pragmatic view.  What use are happy people.  What's the benefit?

What use are happy people, what benefit are they? I'll tell you what benefits happy people have. Self-satisfaction for the developers and a friendlier satisfied-to-dickhead ratio of community members, exampled by (respectively) the normal Tremulous members to, well, you.

Guess that was too much to ask for.
Why do people with no legs like insults so much?

And the "other peoples satisfaction before yours" is pure bullshit.  I should work hard, for free, putting your needs before mine?  Why would anyone want to do that?

  The Tremulous development team is entirely volunteer-based. As far as I know, everyone working on 1.2 is doing it as a HOBBY, as in, something they do because they love it. They're satisfied just working on it; the admiration, recognization, and the other perks from the community are bonuses for their work.

I know.  I would hazard a guess I know a lot more about tremulous development, and game dev in general, than you.
I don't quite see you argument in here?  You say the devs are happy, with out any backup or proof, or name for yourself.  Its closer to defending my point than attacking it...

This isn't the entertainment business.  Its a coding job.  They're coders who wrote it to prove they could, like the good little hackers they are.  If entertainment was the aim, they would have gone into a different business.

Really? Computer game coding isn't ENTERTAINMENT? What is it then? Madness? Sparta? Swiss cheese?

Its entertainment for the people doing it.  All the code I have written was written for myself and my friends.  Mainly myself.  I don't code to entertain you.  That's a side benefit, and in most cases, a small one.  Its only a benifit when nice appreciative people use my stuff.

Again, not the entertainment business.
And see the above bit about game design.  Big studios don't listen to a word people say.  There doing just fine.

Big studios don't listen to their customers? Hmm...I guess they waste all that money on focus groups, beta testers, etc. just to boost hype. They had me fooled!

Beat testers are 100% for advertising and hype.  The bug fixing is just a side benefit.  The cost far outweighs any gains in that regard.

Alright, next poster; your turn to take a swing at this fucker.

One more thing; anyone got a quarter? We can send David here downtown to have a rat gnaw his ego down a little bit.

And back to the ad hominem.
Guess this isn't the place for intelligent discussion.

[holyknight]

Seriously, stop arguing. No matter how much you argue in the internet, it's always going to end up horribly.
All I did was saying I am worried, and suddenly people pop out of nowhere arguing about crap.

[Atom Eve]

Ugly image.

Look, ma! A 10 year old image macro!

That being said, I agree. All you're doing is making yourselves look like giant assheads. I like watching people flame each other for no reason as much as the next person, but all that's going on now is just the same things being said again and again with a few new snide comments added on.

[player1]

Who are you? Normally I wouldn't ask this of new users, but all of your posts thus far have been completely useless and lack wit.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Atom Eve is like a version of f0rqu3 where everything that was bad is reversed and made good

it sez so right there in her sig...

P.S. For anybody who just got here:

Even tho ppl will yell about reading the entire thread, let's just sum it up, shall we? This thread was started by vcxzet, the dude who wrote the backport, who was a guy who apparently liked to also make life hard for Timbo, to be shall we say, the Loki to his Thor, the jackass/clown/provacateur who, well, started a thread like this on his ninth or twelfth sock-puppet account. Anyway, Norf and tjw are currently working on the project, iirc, and as has now been said officially 1000 times *yay* go to the MG server and be part of the forefront of the crest of the wave of uber-beta-testers, now! The reason this isn't publicized everywhere in screaming banners is that the Tremdevs don't roll like that, whether that moves you or not is up to you. End of summary. Now back to pointless flametrolling from uninformed n00bs who had never even heard of Tremulous as of whenever this 9 pages of crap was started.

It does prove one thing, people. You're still interested. Aren't you? This thread is always on page one, right near the top. But, please, continue...

P.P.S. Besides, if you do read the entire thing, you'll see it's coming out on Thursday. So shut up until next week!

[techhead]

Was 'theOen' ever confirmed to be one of vcxnet's accounts? I thought he was a different, independant jackass.

[player1]

from when i got here, best as i kin reckon (& i'm sure i missed about 4 or 6)

vcxzet, bioxtc, f0rqu3, maltageiron, some ppl say PFB or Polish Farm Boy (a true Tremulous inside joke if ever i've heard one), then T3hOn3 and a couple of others about the time i lost interest (although n00b pl0x believed himself a master at spotting them w/o blowing his "cover")

he went from being that cool guy who wrote the backport to the sock-puppet-of-the-week that kids would !callvote ban in OT

i'm pretty sure lava could tell you of about twelve of f0rqu3s accounts

if it was really started on July of last year, then only a few options of the poll remain viable (except it doesn't include, It's Out Now, Jackass!)

how did the poll end at the same time as the original post was posted, yet so many voted? something borked about old polls in the move?

[techhead]

Malt originally was a nice guy, he designed Thermal, and seemed like a personable fellow before he went dormant in March '07. When he came back came back July that year, he really started acting like another forqu3, making me think his account got jacked somehow. The ORIGINAL 'Polish Farmer Boy' I do not think was forqu3, but that forque later did impersonate him.
(Makes mental note to ask Lava)

[player1]

It would make an interesting case study in sock-puppetry. I believe that if all were to be revealed, he would truly be recognized as an internet master of mucking about par excellence. He stands alone, as a giant of the genre. Few can even conceive of that to which he was able to aspire. He like may never be seen again (except that he is probably amongst us, even now) .

[Survivor]

Maltegarion before wintersleep != vcxzet
Maltergarion after wintersleep unsure
PFB != vcxzet
The other accounts are to numerous to remember these days. The major ones have already been mentioned.
He doesn't stand alone as plox was just as big of an ass. And no, he isn't amongst us atm. Because if he was he couldn't keep his yap shut. Last sighting was with the forque account which had not yet received a ban here, and shortly after did.

[benmachine]

vcxzet == PFB != polish farmer boy
I think he admitted to that one.

There was optear too, somewhat briefly.

[player1]

during the six-letter fetish (knew i missed at least one of those)

u getz a cookie

[Kaleo]

I actually kinda miss him...

[Lava Croft]

I actually kinda miss him...

That's because he is not harassing you, and you don't have to clean up after him either.

[whitebear]

I guess his mom never told him to use the diapers.

[Kaleo]

Did yours? Mine didn't.

[whitebear]

Did yours? Mine didn't.

I don't like to explain jokes. 

[Bulbous]

How come we stopped talking about our favourite vaporware?

[+ OPTIMUS +]

iT's because we finally realised that there are 1.2 servers and links to detailed informations about the changes.

it's quite sad that it took so much there and back asstrolling.

and it's brightly obvious that there is no way to really finish 1.2, they can only stop it at one point and make a release.

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technically 1.2 is playable and released, visit the MG servers, it's done.

[benmachine]

technically 1.2 is playable and released, visit the MG servers, it's done.

We're not done.

[sticks]

yep the }mg{ srvr is updated like every 2 or 3 weeks so check for whats new. so far i think its looking good except for the new color pallet which seems a little washed out. also, Lt3c may have a dev srvr up soon, so hopefully it will attract a few more people to it.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

technically 1.2 is playable and released, visit the MG servers, it's done.

We're not done.

kk i'm just teasing :-)

warn us if you are going to test the new human model <.<