Author Topic: Goons vs. Humans  (Read 18279 times)

jigidyjensen1

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Goons vs. Humans
« on: November 21, 2007, 09:50:07 am »
I just want to say something about fighting goons as humans.  To many players say that it is too hard or impossible for humans to take on goons.  I just have this to say.

At stage 1, I have a about a 30% chance of beating the goon.
At stage 2, I have a 80% chance of beating a goon.
At stage 3, I eat goons for breakfast, I almost never loose a duel with a goon.

And I am not talking about just fighting noob players, but fighting players with an average competence in the game.  Against the very best players (and I mean the very best), I still probably beat them at least 40% of the time at stage 2.

But people usually laugh when they see what gear I grab to fight them with.

I think people loose fights with goons because they are scared of really getting to close to them.  I fight them at point blank range, and that seem to be the most effective means of fighting them.


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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2007, 01:21:37 pm »
at stage 1 it is imposible to kill a goon ! one time i was one ! it was on atcs ! i was sitting on bunker and eating those humans ! they sent 3 poeple with rifle i ate them all ! i made ''We have evolved'' and in total i made 10 or 7 frags ! then they take some better guns and rifled me down ! :( ! it was fun eating ! but i had enough evos for another evolve ! but i forgot 1 thing ! they all bought brand new guns and it was useless ! :(
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2007, 02:44:18 pm »

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2007, 05:09:30 pm »
Haraldx, do you need a crash course in English Text punctuation or form?

Or are you trying to look cool?
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 08:25:25 pm »
Well...he did use !, which is a start :P

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 08:39:49 pm »
Well at least he doesn't start every word with a capital letter. Like This Lol.

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 10:30:01 pm »
goons aren't very hard to kill at s1

use a lasgun, then turn around your goon when it starts pouncing over you, crouch if needed, while continuing shooting

after 2/3 missed pounces he'ill be low on hp and he'ill likely run away

don't let him go! continue shooting at him until he dies or until you just can't follow it anymoreor even, lost it :P

Then, to get enough credits for lasguns, there's teamplay and dretch-killing :)
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 11:16:11 pm »
Dragoons are meant to kill your Stage 1 Human. Tag along with a friend if you are not able to cope with it yourself. You'd be amazed at how fast Dragoons go down if you have a friend that is also shooting its general direction.

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2007, 01:24:03 pm »
Dragoons are meant to kill your Stage 1 Human. Tag along with a friend if you are not able to cope with it yourself. You'd be amazed at how fast Dragoons go down if you have a friend that is also shooting its general direction.

Thats why there are not so many goons at clan wars.
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2007, 04:11:54 pm »
Goons can use pounce to move as fast or faster than a marauder for the means of dodging though. But only 1 goon can attack a cluster of humans, while several maras can leap into the fray without slicing each other/getting stuck.

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2007, 05:40:23 pm »
Goons can use pounce to move as fast or faster than a marauder for the means of dodging though. But only 1 goon can attack a cluster of humans, while several maras can leap into the fray without slicing each other/getting stuck.

I do not agree with the mara part, but feeling silly for accidently hitting fellow marauders while aiming at hummies, i am not going to explain ^^

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2007, 06:38:18 pm »
Goons can use pounce to move as fast or faster than a marauder for the means of dodging though. But only 1 goon can attack a cluster of humans, while several maras can leap into the fray without slicing each other/getting stuck.
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2007, 03:08:01 pm »
It's not impossible to kill a Dragoon at Stage 1. The best tactic, in my opinion, is to get alongside them with a shotgun or painsaw, circle them, and if they cotton on to what you're doing, jump in the opposite direction.

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2007, 02:12:28 am »
i have tried many different weapons VS goons but i cannot find the best knowing that the painsaw have a great damage over a small range and the massy same but it is long range so what is the best ? can u help me cause i keep dieing each time i am face to a dragoon :(
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2007, 08:42:30 am »
Goons are extremely powerful. I once faced one, with 2 humans as backup, all with a helmet and light armor, and it killed me in a single hit, and then killed both of my helpers with single hits as well. It then retreated, healed, and went back to more killing. It simply moved too fast to damage appreciably.

They should have reduced damage so they don't instakill tier 2 humans with their normal attack. They are also shockingly agile for their size, to the point where they are probably harder to kill than tyrants. They have the perfect combination of health and speed.

In fact, unless the humans have battlesuits, the dragoon is probably SUPERIOR to the tyrant in slaughtering humans. The shotgun is probably the best weapon them because it does decent damage all at once. The painsaw might only run 1/10 of a second against him, doing negligible damage, before he turns and butchers you. The other weapons that do damage over time generally fail in the same way. The mass driver might be decent at long range, but only newbie dragoons allow you to engage them at a distance. For the most part, shotgun and lots of backup are how to take out a dragoon.

Maybe they should have very few hit points, like 100, to compensate them for their tremendous power (relative to their cost).

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2007, 01:27:28 pm »
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2007, 02:07:15 pm »
Higher Lame

You're having problems taking down a lone goon with a trio of S2 humans, eh?
*psst!* The problem doesn't lie with the goon.

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2007, 03:01:52 pm »
Higher Lame

You're having problems taking down a lone goon with a trio of S2 humans, eh?
*psst!* The problem doesn't lie with the goon.

LOL, +1.

Anyway, at higher lame, aliens that cost more evos doesn't necesarily mean they can kill better. One might solo 4 humans with one basi while getting killed by 1 hummie as a tyrant, that's just the way it is. Ofcourse, aiming helps killing both of em :)

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2007, 08:41:01 pm »
Pfft!  Aiming my granny!
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2007, 08:48:11 pm »
I'm just as skilled as anyone else and the problem is with game balance, not me! Especially not me and 2 other people backing me up against a single dragoon! It's a big problem with 3 or 4 dragoons can eliminate an entire human team of a dozen players. Only battlesuits can even the match, and by the time they are available, tyrants are around and can kill anything.

Only an absolute moron with a tyrant would get killed by a single human. It takes half a dozen men to face a tyrant with a decent chance.

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2007, 08:54:11 pm »
Looky here if you need proof of the Goon's killing power.  Although, those do seem to be newb humans.  Not that it would matter.
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2007, 08:57:06 pm »
I'm just as skilled as anyone else and the problem is with game balance, not me! Especially not me and 2 other people backing me up against a single dragoon! It's a big problem with 3 or 4 dragoons can eliminate an entire human team of a dozen players. Only battlesuits can even the match, and by the time they are available, tyrants are around and can kill anything.

Only an absolute moron with a tyrant would get killed by a single human. It takes half a dozen men to face a tyrant with a decent chance.

How long have you been playing that you can make these statements? I can kill the average goon by myself with any weapon (excluding the painsaw :( ), but as a dragoon I can take out upwards of 5 humans in just a few seconds. A single battlesuit can easily take even a skilled tyrant, you just have to avoid getting hit.

*Pro Tip* If you can move around/dodge/avoid/and just plain travel faster than the average player you can kill any opponent. Simple as that. */Pro Tip* (always wanted to give "pro tip" :D )
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2007, 09:02:51 pm »
That perfect pounce must be on a low-g mod server, since whenever I pounce with a dragoon it's just a short little burst, actually resembling the tyrant's charge more than an actual jump. That, or I highly suspect there are jump hacks out there, since I can't see how many people jump really high. Some people jump up and get head shots with dretches, while I have to attack from the wall to do that, since my jumps only take me up to chest level.

I say I'm as good as anyone else because I find that I'm about average on the scoreboard, above newbies and below nerds. The 2 guys backing me up were about as good as I am. The dragoon just killed us all in 2 seconds. We didn't have a fair chance to fight back because it was just too fast.

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2007, 09:08:54 pm »
First of all, That video was played with slow motion so you could see all of his movements.
Secondly, dretches can headshot from the ground, let alone jumping.
And lastly, number of kills does not make you a good player. What makes the lower scoring players noobs and the higher ones nerds? That seems pretty prejudice to me.
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2007, 09:12:49 pm »
How do dretches get a head shot without jumping? I only hit the leg from the ground, and body with a jump. It would be helpful it they had an actual attack instead of just doing damage from touching the enemy.

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2007, 09:24:00 pm »
Look up.
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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2007, 10:07:40 pm »
That perfect pounce must be on a low-g mod server, since whenever I pounce with a dragoon it's just a short little burst, actually resembling the tyrant's charge more than an actual jump. That, or I highly suspect there are jump hacks out there, since I can't see how many people jump really high. Some people jump up and get head shots with dretches, while I have to attack from the wall to do that, since my jumps only take me up to chest level.

I say I'm as good as anyone else because I find that I'm about average on the scoreboard, above newbies and below nerds. The 2 guys backing me up were about as good as I am. The dragoon just killed us all in 2 seconds. We didn't have a fair chance to fight back because it was just too fast.
look higher for a higher jump.
by the way, the dragoon you fought was just more skilled than you are. it's pretty easy for three humans to take down a dragoon if they know how to dodge (and/or have shottys)

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2007, 11:46:11 pm »
@ higher game
i recommend you spec some good goon players. it's not easy to play goon well. as far as pouncing far/high, the longer you charge your pounce the more power you'll have...it also helps to release that power at an upwards angle rather than into the ground. practice moving only by pouncing and you'll get the hang of it.

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2007, 12:25:37 am »
Ryan

Not bad for a first post.  Thanks for sparing me the trouble of explaining goon movement.  Not that I would've anyway, but uh...

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Re: Goons vs. Humans
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2007, 12:28:12 am »
@Higher Game: at first I thought I'd laugh myself silly after I've read you posts but now I feel sorry for you. You really should listen to these nice guys here trying to help you. Also you might want to check youtube for some video how-tos to watch ;)

@Steely Ann: so you basically thank him for giving HG a proper answer so you don't have to read more painfully stupid posts from other noobs/evil bastards? ::) ;D :angel: