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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2008, 08:59:23 pm »
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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2008, 09:07:17 pm »
My dear sir, when we see black, shall we call the color afro-american. When we see an eagle, shall we be reminded of the massacres endured under it by both the so called third reich as well as the roman empire, or do you prefer the american image of the eagle? Images are images, ideas are ideas, images are not needed for ideas. Anyone who thinks we are advocating nazism is wrong, we are advocating insight in to reality and arguing against an absurd form of censorship held by beliefs. People are against the swastika, but are forgetting that guantanamo bay is some kind of concentration camp as well, and that there is persecution and censorship in the US and china as well. Shall we make a taboo of their symbols as well? Or will we realize that there is a difference. Or let's take something less loaded, like the numeral I. But i did that by typing an uppercase i. So does it mean 1 or capital i? There's just a disconnect between visual and singular meaning, realize that.
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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2008, 09:45:52 pm »
Well said Survivor.

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2008, 10:45:26 pm »

That is exactly where your human psyche either thinks into one direction, or the opposite.

How can a human psyche thinks? And how does your remark relate to what I wrote?


There's just a disconnect between visual and singular meaning, realize that.

There is no visual meaning, only a visual shape (called syntax). The meaning of a symbol is given by it's context, rooted in:
- history
- environment
- culture
The transport of meaning in communication is performed by the usage of symbols and signs. Symbols and signs by them self have no meaning. The message (or meaning) is transported when both communicating agents have a similar understanding (connotation) of the symbols and signs used for communication.
For the agent seeking communication, it usually tries to use those symbols and signs of which it expects the receiver to understand, or associate similar connotation with. This is the basis of communication. Using symbols and signs disregarding their connotations in the current cultural embedding only leads to confusion and misinterpretation.

My dear sir, when we see black, shall we call the color afro-american...


The word 'black' in certain context does refer to afro-american, in other context it doesn't. Without context the symbol is ambiguous.

like the numeral I. But i did that by typing an uppercase i

Since you mean the numeral 1, and even added a statement for it being the numeral 1, it is the numeral 1 regardless of it's glyph. I know what you mean because you are clear in this context and provided enough information to clear up any ambiguities.


The kind of Linux users that show behaviour not completely alien to Nazi behaviour.

And so did lava, clearing up the ambiguities of his usage of the symbol and made it clear he did not mean any of the zillion other connotations of this symbol.

Please note that I did not object to lava's usage of the swastika in this particular case. It brings the point across in what he thinks about a particular type of linux aficionados.
I was merely objecting to his comment that the meaning of the usage of the symbol had to be 'decoupled' to be understood, and frankly, it didn't make any sense to me when I did.

Good luck symbol over upside-down penguin? huh  ;D

But back to topic: Dasprid > Penguin

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2008, 12:14:15 am »
Hey guys, I have a great idea! Let's fruitlessly argue for two pages about whether or not using a swastika in imagery is appropriate in a modern world, particularly on a multi-national internet forum!
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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2008, 01:27:37 am »
Pssshh.. No one on these forums is actually dumb enough to do that....
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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2008, 09:01:04 am »
nazism is not shut down by the past sadly, and this symbol is still in use in bad hands, that's why it's very unlucky to use it.

i unfortunately got used to that lava is often using the wrong tools to fix problems, like making spam threads to prevent spam treads. I don't think that if the police would sometimes go out 'raiding' randomly fighting, raping everyone and putting things on flames to show how bad is this kind of behaviour, then we would live in peace...

i also don't really see the Nazi-Like Linux Underground Users Community's who he should fight against on this particular forum.

anyway i doN't think that this discussion is useless.
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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2008, 10:19:15 am »
I'm not bothered about Lava's Linuxnazi avatar as I'm a troll myself but there is truly a distasteful aspect of that avatar I must admit.

Also in Hungary the issue of these banned symbols are quite stupid... for instance when Heineken got imported to Hungary some idiots started foaming at the mouth because it has a red star as the trademark symbol so it must be banned because it's a fucking commie beer... <no comment - facepalm.jpg>



Also I smell Godwin's Law in this thread but in b4 50 hitler posts I present the first flaming penguin of the Thousand:

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2008, 10:31:57 am »
indeed, if i'd be him, i'd illustrate my words by making some dozens of 4D0LPH H1L73R and S74L1N accounts and flood the forum with pinguins VS nazis battlepictures with swastika wallpapers etc etc etc etc.

my other problem is, Tycho, that there are people with me in the same room, and so my bosses and clients who sometimes take a look on my screen. i needed a half year to make them got used to my constant tremulous investigations, but now i come up with a forum with swastikas all over. well now i turn off avatars as i doN't want to piss off the clients who are... sensitive at this case (no need to tell more).
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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2008, 11:49:25 am »
Hey guys, I have a great idea! Let's fruitlessly argue for two pages about whether or not using a swastika in imagery is appropriate in a modern world, particularly on a multi-national internet forum!
Would you prefer that people post swastikas and people would not discuss this? It is not the swastika that is worryingly. It is when people would not discuss this, that would worry me.
And when people post swastikas, would the poster be surprised when people comment on it? Can he expect comments? Did he get comments? You see, nothing unexpectedly happened, everything went as how you should expect things to happen. Posting a swastika on a forum leads to discussion, no matter what you think what role symbols play.

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2008, 01:52:28 pm »
dont feed the trolls please :police:

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Dasprid, we are sorry to flame your topic! :)
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2008, 04:02:17 pm »
dont feed the trolls please :police:

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2008, 04:17:14 pm »


Suck it down.

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Re: Dasprid, we are sorry to flame your topic! :)
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2008, 05:08:25 pm »
dont feed the trolls please :police:

troll feeding is good for trolls!!! I want MOAR!

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2008, 05:10:28 pm »
why do we have a post calling for Dasprid answered by "Why do you have he swatstika on your picture?". This is pointless.  :P
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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2008, 05:25:56 pm »
why do we have a post calling for Dasprid answered by "Why do you have he swatstika on your picture?". This is pointless.  :P

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2008, 05:54:07 pm »
This topic makes me smile :)

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Re: Everything but Dasprid
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2008, 06:43:15 pm »
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overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs valid comparisons of their impact

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Yes, it's probably true that for every death caused by Hitler, Stalin was responsible for 10 and Mao 100 (hell, Pol Pot was responsible for the deaths of something like two-thirds of the population of Cambodia). Like you say Lava, it would be hard to convey that in a symbol (I note that you said a picture of Mao, as no Communist symbol carries, for a Westerner, quite the same load of guilt, anger, shame, shock, horror and repulsion); there really isn't a symbol that closely identified with these other infamous figures with quite the same load of associations (also, some of them are considered heroes by still-extant political organizations, some of which are the ruling powers of major nations).

Anyway, yes, it's just a symbol (albeit a specifically-oriented one, with a certain type of outline, chosen to represent a certain suite of connotations,  as much as you'd like to play both sides of that fence). It was only a matter of time before someone started to accuse the open-source community of reactionary, fascist tactics (or even wish them the luck of the eternal sun). Even among the anarchists, there are always a few absolutists...

ON TOPIC: Hi DASPRiD. Hey, isn't it about time to wish you a Happy Birthday again? Whatever happened to TremRadio? How did those user guides you were making ever work out?

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2008, 07:03:01 pm »
I fuck with minds, unless I'm fucking bodies. Sorry player1
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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2008, 07:50:08 pm »
Ask your trolldmin


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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2008, 08:37:22 pm »
lol i guess its faggot time look at pic plz its a faggot

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Dasprid, I am still sorry for this flame....
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2008, 08:54:21 pm »
@Gareth: well obviously someone applauded my posts. D'uh. Also by asking ppl to not feed the trolls you already offed this topic so you are just a hypocrite when you 'police' the thread with smites. Go enjoy your invalid reasoning. you just made me feel sorry for wasting those minutes on the game in you signature...

@Lava: Sorry to bring the flame on you but since you are an admin not always acting like one, I know that lazyness first and this forum is a hobby and etc., but aren't you the one that's supposed to act like an example to follow. Like not posting the SwasTux all over the forum, not off-ing Dasprid's topic to oblivion...

Maybe some mod should delete this argument about Lava and the SwasTux or just move it into the "ITT:we flame Lava" topic?

Not that I don't enjoy trolling into a flame, just I think it is inappropiate to do it in this thread...

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2008, 09:04:57 pm »
Ask your trolldmin

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Everytime you whine about my avatar, I will reply to you with my avatar.

And everytime you reply with it I will post this:


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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2008, 09:25:27 pm »
There is nothing wrong with swastika's.
There is nothing wrong with penguins.
There is nothing wrong with hijacking a thread that basically was over already. Druh asked where and how to reach Dasprid, Dasprid replied, Druh confirmed. Thread over.

@Nitrox: Saying Nazi's are not allowed is Nazi behaviour.

@Tycho: Being an example for the rest of the community is not part of my job description. If it was, I'm pretty sure I would not have been given moderator status. My job description is moderating the forums, not trying to adhere to narrow-minded people and their petty one-sided political correctnes.

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2008, 09:28:42 pm »
@Tycho: Being an example for the rest of the community is not part of my job description. If it was, I'm pretty sure I would not have been given moderator status. My job description is moderating the forums, not trying to adhere to narrow-minded people and their petty one-sided political correctnes.

Hmm... point taken. You just don't care about respect. Moving along. :)


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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2008, 09:44:33 pm »
Hmm... point taken. You just don't care about respect. Moving along. :)

You don't post a bold statement like that, only to 'move along'. Care to elaborate why you think I don't care about respect?

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2008, 10:31:25 pm »
posting a penguin so a get karma++ed



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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2008, 11:12:09 pm »
Hmm... point taken. You just don't care about respect. Moving along. :)

You don't post a bold statement like that, only to 'move along'. Care to elaborate why you think I don't care about respect?

Meh... yeah I was sloppy there. Respect means too much things to state it so boldly. Let's rephrase it like this:
You do not respect the fact that a lot of people find the swastisa itself offensive and you don't care what they'll think of you after this... 

And I'm still not judging upon the fact that you have a swastica in your ava, as I understand the joke in it while I see that it is somewhat distasteful, I am only reflecting upon other people's dismay upon seeing it.

@Gareth: if you are mocking me, my 'karma' and the flameing penguins then I hope you have your fun even if it doesn't bother me... Or if you came to see things from my point of view here then you are welcome to fill this murdered topic with one thousand flaming penguins. This here is the 6th, I reckon:




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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2008, 11:19:04 pm »

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Re: Dasprid
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2008, 11:46:21 pm »
please dont stop
this thread is getting more and more contentful
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