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Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« on: November 14, 2008, 08:04:52 pm »
(What if Trem's weapons were real? How would they work? How could their function be explained? I'll give it a try.)

The Blaster:

The blaster emits a weak plasmaburst that moves through the air by attaching itself from one molecule to the other. Because of the ignition of aeral oxygen molecules in the first place, this weapon is self recharging, making it an ideal backup weapon, altough it is relatively weak.

The Rifle:

This is a more oldfashioned assault rifle loosely based on the later versions of the famous AK-47. Being of this ancestry, it fires rapidly in any medium and does never jam.

The Painsaw:

The painsaw is related to the blaster for it uses the same self recharging effect, but the plasma does not leave the weapon but is kept on its front end. The cycles of charging and recharging cause a humming sound that gives the weapon some similarity to chainsaws, giving it its name.

The plasma not having to move through air without a supporting surface, it can be concentrated much higher, making the painsaw maybe the most powerful self recharging weapon possible.

The Shotgun:

The shotgun is an old fashioned but very effective weapon using buckshot projectiles. Shots having a dispersing effect, it is extremely effective on short ranges, but does not much damage on a longer range.

The Laser Gun:

In contrast to the other energy weapons of the arsenal, this one does not use plasma, but a laser beam. Altough lasers cannot deliver that much energy to the target like plasma based weapons can, the beam has one major advantage: It is fast as light, giving the wielder the advantage of being able to hit anything in his sight instantly. In combination with a jetpack, this weapon is the ultimate support for any fighter on the ground and perfect for hunting down aliens in the end after the last alien structure is gone.

The Mass Driver:

The mass driver is the technical realization of something known to be a moreless theoretical construct, the Gauss Cannon. Gauss cannons accelerate a small amount of mass using oscillating electromagnetic fields in the barrel, causing several single accelerations, each in strength compareable to a single ignition of a projectile in a traditional gun, so you fire the same mass with a much higher velocity. Following the physical law of cinetical energy increasing by the square of speed, any mass driven that way is highly penetreable. Altough the mass driver uses depleted uranium bullets for projectiles, it is considered to be an energy weapon because of the high amount of energy it uses and because its bullets are recharged from the still slightly radioactive byproducts of a reactor or repeater.

The Chain Gun:

The chain gun is a Gatlin gun modified for single man operation. Being so, it is not belt fed, but uses an internal magazine, limiting the number of rounds to 300. Also, the gun is pretty heavy, making it uneasy to wield, the recoil of its powerful firing mechanism literally shaking the wielder unless crouching or wearing a battlesuit the weapon can be mounted on.

In spite of all this, the chain gun has enormous firepower and is a serious threat to even the biggest aliens and the only means for an unarmoured human fighter to effectively take down a tyrant.

The Pulse Rifle:

The pulse rifle is the ultimate big brother of the blaster. It uses plasma too, but at the highest concentration that is technically possible, making it a very powerful weapon. Having bursts that are immensely bigger and also get a physcial impulse to move fast in air - giving the pulse rifle its name - the pulse rifle cannot be made self rechargeable. It uses a primary battery to deliver power to its bursts, which reloads from a secondary battery, serving as ammo pack. Battery voltage and therefor capacity can be increased using an additional battery pack.

The Flame Thrower:

This one earned its nickname "bugspray" due to its excellent capability of getting rid of hoards of small aliens, namely dretches and basilisks. It is an oldfashioned flame thrower, igniting an inflammable liquid spray. Altough this weapon is a serious threat to most aliens opposing it, it is also one to its wielder, who can easily damage himself when moving forward while pulling the trigger or standing too close to walls reflecting the clowds of burning spray back to himself.

The Lucifer Cannon
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Now to the most extraordinary and also most powerful weapon, the famous and infamous Lucifer Cannon, a mixture of plasma and electric charge weapon. The details of this technology being kept secret, this weapon has slowly moving bursts which can be charged, delivering an amount of destruction that can instantly kill any single alien when hit directly - except a tyrant - and causes damage even nearby its point of impact by its fallout. The power of a burst is depending on how long the burst is being charged, but if overloaded, the internal barriers of the weapon fail and the energy burst breaks through to the wielder, causing significant damage.
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2008, 09:03:20 pm »
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The pulse rifle is the ultimate big brother of the blaster. It uses plasma too, but at the highest concentration that is technically possible
But both deal similar (if not same) dmg.
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This is a more oldfashioned assault rifle loosely based on the later versions of the famous AK-47. Being of this ancestry, it fires rapidly in any medium and does never jam.
immortal m4 sounds more realistic  :police:
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2008, 09:37:24 pm »
Why does everyone use the phrase "depleted uranium"?

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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2008, 10:39:12 pm »
I like the idea of what this thread has, its obvious that zybork thought about this topic and dug in some research.

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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2008, 11:15:30 pm »
I always thought the lucifer cannon used nuclear energy, thus "fallout".
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2008, 11:32:51 pm »
Why does everyone use the phrase "depleted uranium"?
Probably because it is far more radioactive than fresh uranium.

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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2008, 12:15:35 am »
Really? Looks like I need to brush up on my chemistry. You'd think fresh uranium would be more powerful...

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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2008, 02:00:50 am »
I always thought the lucifer cannon used nuclear energy, thus "fallout".
That's not what fallout really is.  Fallout is just radioactive junk or dust.  Fallout is what kills you the days, weeks, months, years after the initial blast.

The lucifer has splash damage possible because of the force of impact causing massive pressure around the blast site. 

The plasma and electricity explanation, while improbable, makes more sense due to the extra forces needed to keep the blast centralized or the structure of the blast 'contained' in its shape.
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2008, 02:12:18 am »
Hey, nice try, but almost every single weapon is wrong and inaccurate. You sound like a 13 year old who just learned about plasma in his chemistry class.
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2008, 02:24:30 am »
plasma plasma plasma gun plasma energy fire plasma damage plasma cannon plasma plasma weapon plasma plasma battery plasma
Not to be harsh, but I think Zybork went a bit overboard on the plasma.

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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2008, 02:48:01 am »
That's not what fallout really is.  Fallout is just radioactive junk or dust.  Fallout is what kills you the days, weeks, months, years after the initial blast.

In fact it's called fallout because it falls out of the atmosphere (hence the name). Can you be sure that the use of the term isn't by analogy?

Anyhow, I think it would be prudent to take the terminology in tremulous with a grain of salt.
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2008, 03:11:05 am »
That's not what fallout really is.  Fallout is just radioactive junk or dust.  Fallout is what kills you the days, weeks, months, years after the initial blast.

In fact it's called fallout because it falls out of the atmosphere (hence the name). Can you be sure that the use of the term isn't by analogy?

Anyhow, I think it would be prudent to take the terminology in tremulous with a grain of salt.
Still makes no sense.  Good job with reading wikipedia though.

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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2008, 05:19:58 am »
Why does everyone use the phrase "depleted uranium"?

Probably because it was made famous (originally) with WH40K. The boltgun fires depleted uranium rounds (or "deuterium", as it is mentioned in the rulebook).

Also, depleted uranium > enriched uranium for economical purposes. You really expect a galactic corporate entity like Haos Redros  would issue live uranium to its clone marines, when it could go into reactors and bombs?
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2008, 05:40:04 am »
M1A1 and M1A2 battle tanks use depleted uranium in their armor.

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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2008, 12:34:19 pm »
Deuterium is hydrogen, about as far away from uranium as you can get.

And depleted uranium isn't radioactive.  Its toxic, but not due to radiation.  According to wikipedia its even used as radiation sheilding.
Its used a lot in armour piercing rounds, especially anti-tank weapons.  Tyrants will have very different armour to a tank, so there's got to be something better to use against them.

Also, the MD looks a lot like a rail gun, not a coil gun.  Could be a hybrid or something, but not a straight coil gun.
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2008, 01:05:41 pm »
I actually write things like this while sitting in a tramway.

The trouble I had was to find reasonable explainations for everything. How can you explain any self-recharging effect, for there IS NONE in real life physics - this would be a perpetuum mobile, and thus, impossible.

Depleted uranium is now a material where the fissile uranium has been moreless removed. The result is an only slightly radioactive material that is very heavy, dense and hard, making it a perfect bullet material for Gauss cannons. Also, depleted uranium remains the only thing that makes sense for a "radioactivity" sign to be the icon of the mass driver.

Btw, I see I made a mistake, the massdriver is without doubt a railgun. I did not know the concept of a railgun before, I only was familiar with Gauss Cannons, because of Descent II ;) I will change that later.

I use the word "plasma" that often because it remains the only reasonable explaination for many weapons, the blaster, the painsaw and the pulserifle. The pulserifle is recharged from a reactor, but what does a reactor provide? Electric energy, plasma, and radioactive stuff. Except maybe small portions of depleted uranium, it does not provide any bullets or so. Not being a radioactivity based weapon, also not emitting electric sparks, plasma pulses where the only explaination remaining.

Radioacitivity btw was also the only chance to get that fallout-thing of the Luci done, just by saying that the technical details of the Lucifer Cannon are being kept secret ;)

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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2008, 03:12:30 pm »
Still makes no sense.  Good job with reading wikipedia though.

It looks like you misunderstood.

"In fact it's called fallout because it falls out of the atmosphere (hence the name)." [The term has already moved from it's original meaning]

"Can you be sure that the use of the term isn't by analogy?" [It could have done so again]

"Anyhow, I think it would be prudent to take the terminology in tremulous with a grain of salt." [Don't take it too literally]

You['d] really expect a galactic corporate entity like Haos Redros  would[n't] issue [enriched] uranium to its clone marines, when it could go into reactors and bombs?

Depends what shielding they use and who they want to irradiate in the process.

And depleted uranium isn't radioactive.

It is. It's only about 60% less radioactive than natural uranium.

Also, the MD looks a lot like a rail gun, not a coil gun.  Could be a hybrid or something, but not a straight coil gun.

How can you tell that just from it's appearance?

The trouble I had was to find reasonable explainations for everything. How can you explain any self-recharging effect, for there IS NONE in real life physics - this would be a perpetuum mobile, and thus, impossible.

I always figured that since this is the future, they've got fantastically efficient energy storage. For all we know they're managing to convert matter to energy on an extremely small scale.

The result is an only slightly radioactive material that is very heavy, dense and hard, making it a perfect bullet material for Gauss cannons.

Perfect so long as we are able to get such a damn heavy material moving fast enough in such a short space of time.

Btw, I see I made a mistake, the massdriver is without doubt a railgun.

Strictly speaking, a 'mass driver' is a gauss cannon on a much larger scale which is used for interplanetary conveyance of 'packages'. As this is clearly not an interplanetary weapon, the name shouldn't be taken as a strict indication of what it does. Also note that gauss cannons (or 'coilguns') have come into a lot of trouble over their development but this is the future and such problems might have been overcome.

I use the word "plasma" that often because it remains the only reasonable explaination for many weapons, the blaster, the painsaw and the pulserifle. The pulserifle is recharged from a reactor, but what does a reactor provide? Electric energy, plasma, and radioactive stuff. Except maybe small portions of depleted uranium, it does not provide any bullets or so. Not being a radioactivity based weapon, also not emitting electric sparks, plasma pulses where the only explaination remaining.

How do you know that's what the reactor provides? Bear in mind that these weapons don't necessarily have to receive the projectiles they fire. For all we know they could have millions of extremely small projectiles stored within such that you only need to recharge the weapon's energy store.

If plasma is involved, I doubt it would be the only material in the projectile. This would be more difficult than firing air at a long range target. It's more likely the projectile gives out plasma as it travels.

On a final note, I'm happy to see tremulous get the nerdy attention it deserves. :D

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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2008, 04:57:48 pm »
Depleted Uranium is used in projectiles because it has a high density.
Other materials like gold or lead are unsuitable because they are much too soft. Tungsten is not used because it is expensive to obtain and process. Osmium is both toxic and volatile in its pure form. Iridium is much to rare to be used in ammunition.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2008, 06:03:07 pm »
And depleted uranium isn't radioactive.

It is. It's only about 60% less radioactive than natural uranium.

60% of "not very" is very little radiation indeed.  You can safely handle Uranium with just a sheet of paper for protection.  The problem comes when you inhale or eat it and get long term effects.  Like say having a shell made of it blow up near you...

Also, the MD looks a lot like a rail gun, not a coil gun.  Could be a hybrid or something, but not a straight coil gun.

How can you tell that just from it's appearance?

Look at the barrel.  It has slits down it, and no magnets around the edge.  Were the magnets all within the body then the barrel would be solid.
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2008, 09:03:54 am »
i like this thread very much since i'm visually "researching" the weapons. i'm looking forward for more in-depth stuffs for this!
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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2008, 12:40:09 pm »
You['d] really expect a galactic corporate entity like Haos Redros  would[n't] issue [enriched] uranium to its clone marines, when it could go into reactors and bombs?

Depends what shielding they use and who they want to irradiate in the process.

I was pointing out the costs and risks that enriched uranium would pose to a company, who would no doubt have enemies, if it fell into the "wrong" hands.

Also, you corrected my sarcasm? What the fuck? It sounds better that way. (The "enriched" correction, however, is much appreciated.
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2008, 02:14:55 pm »
hmm what about the low speed of some projectiles hmmm
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2008, 03:02:14 pm »
Only some energy weapons have low projectile speeds. Everything else hits almost instantly.
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2008, 04:29:20 pm »
How do you explain that the luci is slow (therefore it can't be made of pure energy, there has to be matter in it) and yet it is not affected by gravity?
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2008, 04:56:16 pm »
Honestly: I don't know. That's why I write "details of this technology being kept secret"n  ;)

But I guess it may be something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2008, 08:20:53 pm »
How do you explain that the luci is slow (therefore it can't be made of pure energy, there has to be matter in it) and yet it is not affected by gravity?

I'm guessing you mean that since it doesn't travel at the speed of light, it must therefore be massless. Though this is true for a single particle we shouldn't rule out the possibility that this is a wave phenomenon and that the observed velocity isn't in fact the Group velocity.

Also we can't assume that gravity isn't having an effect. The effect could be negligible or counteracted by other forces.

Ball lightning I'd say is a very good explanation for most of the energy weapons in tremulous, mainly because it is still so largely unexplained itself (the future scientists have figured it out and recreated it). That way, it's hard to dispute! :>
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2008, 08:27:08 pm »
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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2008, 09:49:08 pm »
How do you explain that the luci is slow (therefore it can't be made of pure energy, there has to be matter in it) and yet it is not affected by gravity?

Helium is a lighter-than-air gas that is a byproduct of nuclear fusion... Perhaps if you retool your explanation of the Lucifer Cannon around that core concept, it would have more credibility?

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Re: Try of a realistic explaination of Tremulous' human's weapons
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2008, 09:58:30 pm »
The lucy seems to send out some very hot plasma. As such its speed is limited. And, since it does not travel too far before hitting a wall, an alien or a friend ;-=) gravity shouldn't do too much (gas plasma f.e.).

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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2008, 10:19:29 pm »
afaik plasma is not something you can shoot but rather an attribute of a matter. and aggregate.
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