Monthly Tournaments!

[Genki]

Info
What:
Tremulous Monthly Tournaments
A regular monthly tournament that people can look forward too

Who:
Teams of 5, hosted by RK
Open to North America only

When
Starts in January
Sign-ups open when the website works, latest January 1st (a week for sign ups)

Where
The servers will be called
.:RK:. Alpha
.:RK:. Beta
.:RK:. Charlie~Lounge

You can check your ping by pinging singlehop.com or visiting one of our other servers

http://randomkeywhacking.com/forums/ - you can find where tournament discussion takes place.

Rules
- Teams of 5
- 4v4
- 1 sub MAX
- Single Elimination
- Rounds ending in a draw will be decided by fastest win time
- Camping in an inaccessible spot will result in a win for opposing team (applies when spawns are killed)
- Starting race will be randomly decided
- Being more than 10 minutes late for a match will result in a forfeit
- Both teams must have 4 players for a match to commence
- Walk-Ons are not allowed, all team members must be registered for the team
- No votes are allowed during matches
- Spectators will not be allowed to use public chat, private messaging, name changes, or be in team teamspeak channels
- Anyone caught ghosting, aimbotting, or cheating/hacking in any way shape or form will be banned and barred from future tournaments
- In case a player 999's the admin will wait 30 seconds before !spec999ing them. The team leader will have 30 seconds to replace the 999er. After the 30 seconds they may play short or forfeit
- A player that has 999'd may NOT re-join the team, they may spectate and must be removed from the team teamspeak channel
- Absolutely NO multi-teaming
- Team leaders MUST have a GUID, this is essential as they will receive a certain admin level that will allow them to talk to the admin
- PM's and public chat will be disabled. Team leaders will be able to use admin chat to talk to the admin and the opposing team leader
- All players must use English and English only
- Exploiting map bugs/flaws is forbidden, the admin will ask once for the deconstruction of the building/kill of player, if the team does not comply within 1 minute the other team will get an automatic win
- Reactor jumps and spawn killing is ALLOWED, if a team can't protect their base it is their fault
- There will be a non-mandatory 10 minute break between rounds, both team leaders must agree to bypass break

The Charlie~Lounge
- Team leaders can find an admin here prior to their match to make changes to their line-up (if an admin is not present on the forums)
- Teams may publicly practice here
- Team leaders can find, 1 hour prior to match, substitutes here
- No real games will be played here
- Members who are not sure of their match time/server/tag may wait here for their team leader
- Excessive talking/spam will result in a kick

Team Requirements
- Each team must have a leader
- Team leaders must have a GUID
- Substitutes are allowed
- Substitutes may not be from another team
- Teams must all have the same tag while playing
- Any changes to your team roster or tag must be done an hour before your match starts and must be approved by an admin
-Players must be from North America

Server Settings
- Gravity is 800
- Speed is 320
- Buildpoints: 100
- No Extreme Sudden Death
- No Sudden Death
- Timelimit: 45 minutes
- Tourney Servers are Unlagged
- Only ATCS
- Friendly Fire On
- Friendly Fire Buildables On
- Servers are in Chicago (ping singlehop.com)

Match Times
January 10th - Saturday

(H) Team 1 v (A) Team 2 @ Noon, Server 1 (switch @ 12:45pm)
(H) Team 3 v (A) Team 4 @ Noon, Server 2 (switch @ 12:45pm)
End time: 1:40pm

(H) Team 5 v (A) Team 6 @ 2pm, Server 1 (switch @ 2:45pm)
(H) Team 7 v (A) Team 8@ 2pm, Server 2 (switch @ 2:45pm)
End time: 3:40pm

January 11th - Sunday

(H) Team 2 v (A) Team 4 @ Noon, Server 1 (switch @ 12:45pm)
(H) Team 6 v (A) Team 7 @ Noon, Server 2 (switch @ 12:45pm)
End time: 1:40pm

(H)Team 2 v (A) Team 7 @ 2pm, Server 1 (switch @ 2:45pm)
End time: 3:40pm

[khalsa]

Good luck, however let me note a couple things:

• USA vs Euro = fail.
• Please up-front strongly and loudly define 'normal settings'
• TST is successful because it's only teams of 2, at their leisure, and easy to get going - and even that has hiccups (yes I've participated before)
• Entrance fee might be a good thing, as those few(er) players you will get will be serious.
• Make the site first next time
• Holidays generally not the best time for anyone (even if you don't celebrate anything during this time)
  

[David]

• Holidays generally not the best time for anyone (even if you don't celebrate anything during this time)
  

Although all the kids will be off school...

[Genki]

• USA vs Euro = fail.
• Please up-front strongly and loudly define 'normal settings'
• TST is successful because it's only teams of 2, at their leisure, and easy to get going - and even that has hiccups (yes I've participated before)
• Entrance fee might be a good thing, as those few(er) players you will get will be serious.
• Make the site first next time
• Holidays generally not the best time for anyone (even if you don't celebrate anything during this time)
  

To handle the USA vs Europe I'll probably do a server exchange.
Settings will probably Unlagged, normal speed/grav, SD at 20. Not really sure what else. (probably call a vote see what's most popular)
I'm hoping subs/walk ons will be able to cover for missing people, and a "lounge" would be a nice way to keep track of everyone.
Entrance fee may be applied later once I see if the tourney's are a popular thing.
Site requires a lot of coding and will probably be attached to the RK website.
You're right, I'll use the time to plan this thoroughly :]

Thanks for your input!

[Undeference]

Unlagged

That's one people love to argue about.

SD at 20

I don't really understand having sudden death in a tournament. Sudden death is meant to end the game quickly when no one has won yet. In competitive play, the game should already be over.

Not really sure what else.

What about the balance changes—share, steal, donate, take, etc.—people love so much?

[Genki]

I'll probably open most of the settings to discussion/debate. But most likely this is how it'll go:

Unlagged on
Teams of 5
SD at 20 (makes sure that all matches can be done at a certain time and matches can be scheduled right after with no risk of previous matches still going)
Share & donate will be on
FF on
FF Buildings off
Specs will only be able to use team chat
Subs/walk-ons will be allowed
Teamspeak/mumble server up for teams to use

[Caveman]

Good Luck.
Maybe you'll succeed where others failed before you.
Please check the old posts to see where they went wrong .)

[Annihilation]

Good Luck.
Maybe you'll succeed where others failed before you.
Please check the old posts to see where they went wrong .)

You mean, bothering to ever actually start?  xD

[Hendrich]

You mean, bothering to ever actually start?  xD

Yea, about that...... 

Good  luck with the tourny btw, I hope it'll be a success.

[Genki]

It'll start in January. Just wanted to see if people were interested :]

I'll definitely check the old posts. The only thing I'm worried about is spreading the word, a lot of players don't check forums and most of the servers I've been to don't allow advertising heh.

[player1]

Join every Tremulous-related forum you can, and add a post to the appropriate section of each. Invite clans. Invite "pro" teams from servers. Offer sponsorship arrangements. Contact server owners directly and find out how you can help them to help you help them. Maybe contact MoFrag and get t-shirts made. Hold an Art Contest. Have a Poetry Slam. Find out who tried this sort of thing in the past, what happened, and what advice such folks can offer. Commission a poster, from the winner of the Art Contest, and have a monthly drawing to receive an autographed copy or Tourney t-shirt. These and a hundred other ideas offered freely. Get a band/musician/sound guy to add music to the games/lounge. Get a visual mod-maker to come up with some cool weapons effects, or teamskins, or something. Look around. Find interested folks. Start a team and brainstorm. Good luck. Cheers!

[Genki]

Join every Tremulous-related forum you can, and add a post to the appropriate section of each. Invite clans. Invite "pro" teams from servers. Offer sponsorship arrangements. Contact server owners directly and find out how you can help them to help you help them. Maybe contact MoFrag and get t-shirts made. Hold an Art Contest. Have a Poetry Slam. Find out who tried this sort of thing in the past, what happened, and what advice such folks can offer. Commission a poster, from the winner of the Art Contest, and have a monthly drawing to receive an autographed copy or Tourney t-shirt. These and a hundred other ideas offered freely. Get a band/musician/sound guy to add music to the games/lounge. Get a visual mod-maker to come up with some cool weapons effects, or teamskins, or something. Look around. Find interested folks. Start a team and brainstorm. Good luck. Cheers!

Wow very nice ideas! I honestly wasn't thinking of prizes or teamskins. Especially because receiving a t-shirt from someone from the internet might not go over so well with some kids parents if they decide to enter.

[Caveman]

... receiving a t-shirt from someone from the internet might not go over so well with some kids parents if they decide to enter.

Then make sure you have their written permission, before those pesky critters get shot up.

BTW, last time I looked you had to turn off the purity-check to enable skins or other effects.

[Syntac]

Not if the server has semipure enabled.

[St. Anger]

None of these "contests" or "prizes" are necessary for an online tournament, especially one that's monthly. Would be better if you just focused on the planning of the tournament itself (the settings, the servers used, etc).

[janev]

/rant
I'll give my 2 euro cents on settings for tournaments. These are however my personal opinions and should be taken with severe prejudice.

I'll probably open most of the settings to discussion/debate. But most likely this is how it'll go:

Unlagged on
Teams of 5
SD at 20 (makes sure that all matches can be done at a certain time and matches can be scheduled right after with no risk of previous matches still going)
Share & donate will be on
FF on
FF Buildings off
Specs will only be able to use team chat
Subs/walk-ons will be allowed
Teamspeak/mumble server up for teams to use

Unlagged is controversial and should be decided upon by people playing.
Teamcounts depend on how many people are available but 5 sounds good_ish.
SD on means people will invariably plan for it and thus play differently. Fear of SD can lead to "Stop feeding" or "let's sit here with md and wait for sd" and similar retarded strategies. '
Share and donate tend to offset the balance imho. Three kills for any alien means the alien team will have a goon (which can then go on to camp some corner and farm for the rest of the team). Also means that certain players can "carry" their team.
FF on good good
Building FF off... Well i guess you have never seen defensive nadespamming :>
Specs should be agreed upon by players since they tend to lead to ghosting paranoia.
gj having mumble server available.

/endofrant

[Undeference]

BTW, last time I looked you had to turn off the purity-check to enable skins or other effects.

Not if the server has semipure enabled.

As long as the server has a pk3 with extra assets, the clients use them if available but are not required to have them—this has nothing to do with "semipure".

"Semipure" is not the be-all and end-all of purity checking. In fact, it requires lots of extra work that is usually unnecessary (and unwanted) to be even remotely useful. The only ones who directly benefit from it are a very small group of people who know exactly what they are doing.

[danmal]

What sort of tournament are you planning on hosting (EG: elimination, round robin, etc)? I'm not sure if a month will be enough time to complete a tournament but if you have fairly strict time limits you might be able to pull it off.

I'll definitely check the old posts. The only thing I'm worried about is spreading the word, a lot of players don't check forums and most of the servers I've been to don't allow advertising heh.

All you really need for a tournament is a server, forums and some refs. Everything else is nice to have but purely optional. Get some forums up and go to every single clan's forums in the US (or who ever your tourney is being held) and make a post inviting the clans to sign up at your forums. Let them discuss the rules but make sure you already have a basic plan of how the tournament will work. That's all you really have to do to gather interest. Also be ready to delegate work, otherwise you'll run out of steam pretty quickly and the tourney will just die.

[Genki]

Depending on interest it could be a round robin if there are only a few teams. All the tournaments I've run have been single elimination and I find that it's easier for organization then double elimination.

The tournaments I have run on my own have been 8 teams max.

4 matches then 2 matches then finals

I find it easy to hold two matches at the same time. Then have two following those matches. Another admin and I each had one server to look after and specs could choose to spectate someone and record a demo. While the admin would shoot a "general" demo.

So 4 matches can easily be played in one day. with 1 1/2 hour max for the players and 3 hours max for admins.

So it would work something like this:

With 16 teams
Saturday - 4 matches 8 teams
Sunday - 4 matches 8 teams
Round 1

Next weekend:
Saturday - 4 matches 8 teams
Quarter Finals

Sunday - 2 matches 4 teams
Semi- Finals

Next weekend:
Saturday 1 match 2 teams
Championship match

There would then be a week for sign-ups and then the next one would start.

However, I may add more admins to confine it to 2 weekends total.

I -might- confine it to US participants (I've heard if euro's play on Unlagged it's impossible to hit 'em just about)

Or I might just have unlagged off and allow anyone to enter. Doing a server exchange might get messy, especially with timezones.

[Caveman]

I -might- confine it to US participants (I've heard if euro's play on Unlagged it's impossible to hit 'em just about)

Or I might just have unlagged off and allow anyone to enter. Doing a server exchange might get messy, especially with timezones.

It's always a pain in the behind if wise words meet barren minds.

[player1]

I've missed you, Lord Sage.

@OP: GL, sounds like you have plenty of people willing to offer ideas, and a fair plan for organization. I heartily second the following ideas: 1) get your own forums; & 2) go to every clan website you can find in your intended geographical location (North America, it seems), and invite every clan you can, then go to every pubserver/Tremsite you can find, and invite every lone wolf/pub player/team-oriented player/avg. ronin Tremster that you can. The schedule sounds fairly decent, actually. Again, best of luck. You might think of advertising it as the Tremulous Monthly North American Tournaments, so there's no confusion about who's who. Also, as said above, most of the energy you expend in refereeing Trem tourneys will go into listening to people squabble endlessly over settings. By the way, I have to largely agree with the above critique of your intended settings.

Unlagged ON (OK, but will that be the final word on the subject?)
Teams of 5 (a good size, games will be fairly quick, defenses will actually have to do their job)

I can see your point about SD, but then there are many valid viewpoints on the subject, including: why even have it? Personally, I would go:
SD @ 45 min
TL @ 60
Share & Donate OFF (they don't belong on a "Pro" or Tourney server, imho, sorry)
FF ON (gj)
FF Buildables ON (to penalize nade- & luci-spamming defenders)
Specs is very debatable (some ppl will delay the match while arguing about this; I personally like: free-floating specs only, NO spec chat, all players shoot demo or video in Final Match)
Subs/Walk-ons allowed (necessary, gj)
Teamspeak server (gl & gj, if all that works out for all involved)

Discuss. Good luck. Tremulous always needs a little more organized in the chaos.

Cheers.

[Genki]

1) get your own forums
2) go to every clan website you can find in your intended geographical location (North America, it seems), and invite every clan you can, then go to every pubserver/Tremsite you can find, and invite every lone wolf/pub player/team-oriented player/avg. ronin Tremster that you can.

1) I have forums for it, but I decided I wanted to have a separate page all it's own. I felt it would be pointless to link people as the link would change later. Plus it's much too early in the planning stages to have people spam it up with "UNLAGGED ON" or "UNLAGGED OFF"
2) I don't know many but I'll probably use the clan section to find a lot of them.

Tremulous Monthly North American Tournaments

Yikes, got a shorter name in mind?

most of the energy you expend in refereeing Trem tourneys will go into listening to people squabble endlessly over settings. By the way, I have to largely agree with the above critique of your intended settings.

Admin will mostly just be there to record scores, deal with substitutes, make sure no one is cheating, and declaring a winner in the instance a timelimit is hit.

Unlagged: still up for debate (which I'm sure will be very split minded)
SD and TL I want to come fairly quick, however SD seems unfavorable so I may just remove it.
Share & Donate still up for debate
The only issue I have with FF Buildables on is that if you have a luci and someone jumps your rc, if you shoot your RC is dead <- up for debate as well

I don't mind specs but I do find that spectators seem to flood a server before the players can get in. I've used passworded servers to ensure that the players get in well before the server is open to specs. Also, when a team doesn't have enough players I find it is easy to have a spec "walk on" instead of waiting for the team to go find someone. Another thing: should waiting teams be allowed to watch other teams matches?

An issue with ts/mumble that I have is that people tend to use their own ts and it's an easy way for specs to ghost. It would be hard to regulate that they use our ts or none at all. Private messaging would also be off.

[Caveman]

5 days yet, all talk, no planning, no action.
Obviously not even the older attempts have been examined.

This thread is a complete waste of time and resources.

Genki come back when you have at least a basic idea on how to organize something.
The last 5 days have been nothing but "Hey I have an idea, but I am resistent to advice and I only plan on shooting the blues here.".

If you honestly need help and are ready to start a founded discussion, you'll get help here.
But this is pure BS.

[Genki]

Obviously you didn't read my starting post. This is just to see if this was the sort of thing people are interested in.

What I want to know is would this be something that the tremulous community is interested in?

Discussions and further planning will be on a different forum so I can have more control over what is being said. And I said I'd start in January, which is a long way off.

I'll start in January. Just wanted to see if people were interested :]

So please don't troll my thread.

[Nux]

Meh. I see your point caveman, but you could try putting it across less aggressively.

I agree that it's better to get things started early than not at all (mainly for the sake of experience for future matches) but I wouldn't say he's failing completely to set this up. So long as he sticks to deadlines there shouldn't be a problem. Also, advice is there to be taken at his leisure. He might end up proving himself wrong in which case at least he tried rather than spending the time debating it.

The only issue I have with FF Buildables on is that if you have a luci and someone jumps your rc, if you shoot your RC is dead <- up for debate as well

I don't see that as a reason at all. Consider how easily this can be abused. If any alien enters my base (and there are no teammates there) I can just fire luciballs wildly into it and it's dead. Try finding a better weapon to defend with.

[Genki]

I think you'll be happy to know that I am almost done with the website.

All that is left to do is put the content on the page and get the sign up page working correctly

Click here to see layout

[player1]

FF Buildables ON (to penalize nade- & luci-spamming defenders)

The only issue I have with FF Buildables on is that if you have a luci and someone jumps your rc, if you shoot your RC is dead <- up for debate as well

I don't see that as a reason at all. Consider how easily this can be abused. If any alien enters my base (and there are no teammates there) I can just fire luciballs wildly into it and it's dead. Try finding a better weapon to defend with.

Exactly. FF Buildables ON makes Humans learn to use lucis and nades OUTSIDE of Base, and learn to use that almost-unheard-of weapon, the measly Blaster. It's there for a reason. Anyone who fires a luci cannon in their own base deserves to lose, and anyone who fires one in the general direction of, let alone right at their own Reactor, definitely deserves to sit out a game or two. By the way, when that mara came in your base and saw you using a BFG to do the job of a shotgun, that's why he jumped your reac and went, "Over here! Shoot at me!"

And Good Luck with the Tourney.

[Genki]

true true :]

still feels as if you decide whether or not to kill the rc yourself or let the mara do it xD

But again not my decision alone :]

[player1]

lol'd at "or let the mara do it"

Yeah. "This is my base. I just spent 23 minutes perfecting it. You there, with the giant plasma cannon - would you mind taking that over to the Alien Base and shooting it off over there? Thank you very kindly. Feel free to take those grenades with you. Just get them away from the pretty reactor I carried all the way over here from the default location, if you don't mind."

GL & Cheers!

[Genki]

yes indeed, my pretty base goes down the drain with one luci shot

*sighs* R.I.P.

But anyways!

I'm trying to decide what all to include on the sign up page

The top box is a drop down box which will have three options:

Team
Team Member
Free Agent

Which ever one is picked shows different boxes

Team:
Team Name
Team Tag <- will be used to identify your team in-game
Leader Name <- will be the only person talking to the admin about issues during game (unless they are not present)
Leader E-mail
Team Description <- probably the only thing not gonna be required

Team Member:
Team Name <- Drop down box, team must already be created
Name
E-mail

Free Agent:
Name
E-mail

The e-mail is essential and must be a real one as you will be asked for confirmation.
I may or may not add a checkbox to allow someone to make it so that they don't receive news updates, schedule updates, etc.

Also If you would like to see more parts of the layout check out my DA Page