X, A, M Servers

[Bissig]

I think the X, A, and M servers are a reaction to a much bigger problem that is not addressed on these forums at all.
The lack of incremental releases, an organized developer community, and general apathy have led to the absolute destruction of this game.

+1

[Amanieu]

I think the X, A, and M servers are a reaction to a much bigger problem that is not addressed on these forums at all.
The lack of incremental releases, an organized developer community, and general apathy have led to the absolute destruction of this game.

It is addressed on these forums by all the ZOMG WHEN 1.2 COM OUT?? threads.
+1 for the rest

[Hendrich]

I enjoy Tremulous thus I respect the devs in every way, except to what Yarou just intelligently said, its hard not to agree with him. Four years + No releases = Bad. Organized Developer Community, that I'm not sure, it looks fine to me, but I have a sense that the Devs are as excited as v1.2 as they are with dust bunnies.

But even that, Tremulous may be down, but its not out. Lets give the Devs our sincere support and hope that v1.2 can be enjoyable to veterans and newbies alike.

 

[kevlarman]

I enjoy Tremulous thus I respect the devs in every way, except to what Yarou just intelligently said, its hard not to agree with him. Four years + No releases = Bad. Organized Developer Community, that I'm not sure, it looks fine to me, but I have a sense that the Devs are as excited as v1.2 as they are with dust bunnies.

But even that, Tremulous may be down, but its not out. Lets give the Devs our sincere support and hope that v1.2 can be enjoyable to veterans and newbies alike.

 

trem 1.1 is less than 3 years old, most of which you haven't been around for.

[Amanieu]

trem 1.1 is less than 3 years old, most of which you haven't been around for.

And in 8 months, OpenArena made 4 releases. Therefore leileilol > Timbo.

[Syntac]

It's time for a demonstration of sigificant progress. ~3 years without a release tells me either nothing is happening or it's going very slowly.

Perhaps players would lose interest in these twisted servers if there were something more appealing.

Oh, and something else: Why hasn't Timbo posted here in a very long time?

[Hendrich]

trem 1.1 is less than 3 years old, most of which you haven't been around for.

My bad and wrong. It doesn't matter, its still above 2 years since the release and that doesn't change the fact that development is taking quite long. Atleast it gives hope that v1.2 will un-reveal a huge bucket of changes and features.

[Bissig]

trem 1.1 is less than 3 years old, most of which you haven't been around for.

My bad and wrong. It doesn't matter, its still above 2 years since the release and that doesn't change the fact that development is taking quite long. Atleast it gives hope that v1.2 will un-reveal a huge bucket of changes and features.

I wouldn't count on it. It is a minor release (1.2 not 2.0). I still hope it will feature things like advanced map features along with better performance. But we will see.

[kevlarman]

trem 1.1 is less than 3 years old, most of which you haven't been around for.

My bad and wrong. It doesn't matter, its still above 2 years since the release and that doesn't change the fact that development is taking quite long. Atleast it gives hope that v1.2 will un-reveal a huge bucket of changes and features.

I wouldn't count on it. It is a minor release (1.2 not 2.0). I still hope it will feature things like advanced map features along with better performance. But we will see.

how minor or major a release turns out to be is somewhat arbitrary, (by your logic 2.6.28 is a minor release with almost no new features), but half of your wish has already come true (cg_bounceparticles and cg_optimizeprediction can make a big difference depending on your system)

[Hendrich]

but half of your wish has already come true (cg_bounceparticles and cg_optimizeprediction can make a big difference depending on your system)

So my crap Circeo 733 Mhz PC with an ATI RAGE 128 Pro card can have it's framerate increased by, how much? 20-30 frames?   

[kevlarman]

but half of your wish has already come true (cg_bounceparticles and cg_optimizeprediction can make a big difference depending on your system)

So my crap Circeo 733 Mhz PC with an ATI RAGE 128 Pro card can have it's framerate increased by, how much? 20-30 frames?   

nothing, those patches help the cpu usage, but your graphics card still can't handle trem.

[Lucky singh]

hey guys  m server is good server and most of people like it and that server is not working  please tell what happened 

[Hendrich]

hey guys  m server is good server and most of people like it and that server is not working  please tell what happened 

I believe the [M] Server (The one for Bots, right?) goes down often either because they're having hosting problems or noone goes on them often and it just becomes a waste of bandwidth. You may say that it should be on 24/7, but Spec is hosting 3 servers so bandwidth is precious. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[kevlarman]

hey guys  m server is good server and most of people like it and that server is not working  please tell what happened 

I believe the [M] Server (The one for Bots, right?) goes down often either because they're having hosting problems or noone goes on them often and it just becomes a waste of bandwidth. You may say that it should be on 24/7, but Spec is hosting 3 servers so bandwidth is precious. Correct me if I'm wrong.

you're wrong

[rotacak]

If something similar like this will be in new Tremulous version, then it solve all:


 

[Hendrich]

Rotacak, did that with photoshop or what?

It could work, then again since they're the official servers they could always be full, who knows...

[n.o.s.brain]

hao i get my srvr on ofishal srvr list plis

[Lakitu7]

If something similar like this will be in new Tremulous version, then it solve all:


 

Haha *cannon on an official server.

[yetshi]

servers like these are very beneficial to the game.

think of them as a shit filter, they keep all the asstard players in one place.

keeps them from fucking up the real servers.

[Odin]

trem 1.1 is less than 3 years old, most of which you haven't been around for.

And in 8 months, OpenArena made 4 releases. Therefore leileilol > Timbo.

Eh, if you take into consideration the type of game OpenArena is, and the fact that 99.9% of the coding work is already done for them, I would think those "releases" are nothing more than ioq3 merges and media changes. Tremulous has its own code to maintain and bugfix. It also has completely new player models/weapon models on the way which is a major overhaul of the existing media. The new media takes advantage of many new features in the Tremulous SVN compared to the old 1.1.0 code. All in all, Tremulous actually does take a much longer time to get a new update(to a finished product, which was 1.1.0) out the door compared to OpenArena which has essentially been a finished product for a very long time.

[Amanieu]

Oh so it's just because Stannum is slacking off? The new weapon anim code is already done, they just need the new weapon models.

[rotacak]

Hendrich: yes, photoshop :-) Official servers probably will not be full (because there will not be maps like rotcannon and mission one ). Anyway new player can start tremulous with original gameplay and after that he can join modded servers. When he start playing on bad server, then he can delete tremulous because it is "stupid game". Now new player don't have any chance to join standard server.

[Odin]

Oh so it's just because Stannum is slacking off? The new weapon anim code is already done, they just need the new weapon models.

I didn't say that at all. Of course the weapon animation code is done, the models just need to have the animations.

[Archangel]

hey guys  m server is good server and most of people like it and that server is not working  please tell what happened 

I believe the [M] Server (The one for Bots, right?) goes down often either because they're having hosting problems or noone goes on them often and it just becomes a waste of bandwidth. You may say that it should be on 24/7, but Spec is hosting 3 servers so bandwidth is precious. Correct me if I'm wrong.

you're wrong

They're at Softlayer afaik, and I used to host ~6 trem servers on a single cheap softlayer box. I never used more than 600gb/mo. You get 2000gb/mo in the cheapest plans, so it isn't bandwidth.

[Caveman]

hey guys  m server is good server and most of people like it and that server is not working  please tell what happened 

You are lying when you start typing.
How can anybody like a server that is not running?
GTFO boon

[benmachine]

Oh so it's just because Stannum is slacking off?

Damn, Stannum, what do we pay you for?

oh wait

[spectator]

hey guys  m server is good server and most of people like it and that server is not working  please tell what happened 

We got under a DDOS attack 2 days ago, that make our server go off and also it wasted alot of BW, so i decided turn off the M server and C server down till next month when the BW meter resets to 0.

M server -> humans vs humans -> Yea Hendrich in old times this one runned a ambush mod
C Server -> Cat n Mouse beta.

They're at Softlayer afaik, and I used to host ~6 trem servers on a single cheap softlayer box. I never used more than 600gb/mo. You get 2000gb/mo in the cheapest plans, so it isn't bandwidth.

We are hosted at LayeredTech, we host 4 servers normally, we use 1400Gb/Month of BW when our limit its 1500. so yea its the BW.

Best Regards.

[Caveman]

Then cut down on the servers, concentrate on what you can do wholeheartedly and not half-arsed.

[mooseberry]

To all M,X,A players/admins. There is a cool new fad going on called dodge the speeding cars! Go try it.

[tuple]

I think the X, A, and M servers are a reaction to a much bigger problem that is not addressed on these forums at all.
The lack of incremental releases, an organized developer community, and general apathy have led to the absolute destruction of this game.

I disagree.  I think these servers are a natural part of an open source codebase.  People modify the code.  Thats just what they do.  I think the problem is that we harass these server admins instead of the person hosting the master server, which should be patched to only allow ascii characters or some such.  R1CH did it, lots of people raised hell (including me )cause there'd been no forewarning and it didn't help people's suspicious nature that AKKA went immediately to the top   I do wish that patch had stayed in place though.  No blank server names, no boxes.  Put special characters (like {, etc at the end)  Sure there would be AAAAAAA servers, but at least it looked somewhat sane.

The other thing that needs to change is the server browser.  Seeing 10-15 of hundreds of servers kinda sucks and scrolling through all of that is terrible any way you look at it.  It means that there will always be competition for those top listed spots.  But no one has created an actual improvement to the existing server browser so a release of any kind still leaves us with that limitation.  Sure there are fixes to the server browser, but they've been minor sort fixes.  From what I hear the code for the server browser is ugly and messy.  If the devs were more organized they could have someone rewrite the server browser; some will say.  But you can't get unpaid devs to work on something they just don't want to work on.  Organization or no, nobody has wanted to touch that beyond cosmetic fixes for a very long time.

However, as a first step I'd suggest we harass devs to get the master server patched.  As a second step I'd suggest we harass anyone who complains about the server browser to do something about it, maybe someone will come up with a new one.

edit: they instead of the, DOH!