Tremulous Sound Licenses

[DraZiLoX]

Explosion without making damage would be awesome

[David]

http://tremulous.net/w/index.php?title=Sound_Licenses&diff=4468&oldid=prev

Anyone know more about that change?

[Teapot]

Code: [Select]

We don't need hovel sounds do we?
{|border="1"
|+buildables/hovel
|-
!Filename!!Original Source!!Original License!!Replacement!!Replacement License
|-
|attack1.wav||Unknown||Unknown|| Not Needed ||
|-
|attack2.wav||Unknown||Unknown|| Not Needed ||
|-
|pain1.wav||Unknown||Unknown|| Not Needed ||
|-
|pain2.wav||Unknown||Unknown|| Not Needed ||
|}


[David]

Guess I should have looked a few lines above the diff >_>.

[baybal]

Why not to borrow ufoai sounds, they have awesome sfx

[Teapot]

Modified by Mjw069

The above is for buildables/tesla/idle1.wav

Modified from what? The original license needs to be compatible with CC BY SA 3.0 for you to release your modifications under that license.

[swamp-cecil]

So, did Brandon manage to recover his sounds? If he doesnt, i still have the 1.2 sounds preview from kiwi a long time back.
Meh, if im starting to literaly DREAM about 1.2 being released, I think i should get started.
Leds Do Diz!

[Teapot]

19:06 <F50> Hi, I understand that you recently removed a lot of your stuff from the tremulous sound project?
...
19:08 <Brandon75689> the server crashed and i lsot majority of my sounds
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19:09 <F50> You should tell teapot that, if he has them in his svn, then you can still get them back

I do have them in svn so our progress is still 80%.

[ziplocpeople]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1057520/grng4.wav granger taunt
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1057520/grngp4.wav granger death
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1057520/grngJ.wav granger jump
CC-BY-SA
f1 or the bus won't leave

[jm82792]

Ekk those sounds are going to need a lot of rework or not to be used at all ziplock :-(

[Lakitu7]

No matter what the quality, no sounds are useful without license information.

[Bas]

I have some time this week, so I want to help contribute if I can. From what I gather:
 1. Even though it isn't as good as producing our own sounds, we can use sites like freesound to get sounds, as long as it's CC-BY-SA or sampling+.
 2. The sounds that need to be replaced are blank/[] under the "replacement" column at http://tremulous.net/wiki/Sound_Licenses .
 3. We have to submit them for review over at http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=14952.0 .

So I have a few questions.
 1. Where are the sound files located? I tried poking around the pk3 files in the gpp directory but didn't find anything.
 2. Other than replying with links to the files in http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=14952.0 , is there anyone in particular that does a QC on them?
 3. How can we test it locally? Do we replace the sound files with our own, create our own server, and then test it?

Edit:
  There is not QC at the moment.
  Sound files are located in base/data-1.1.0.pk3/sound , .pk3 files are .zip files.
  You have to create your own server to test sounds, joining US1 server gives an error.
  You can test out weapon/alien sounds by doing something like /devmap atcs to allow cheats, then /set g_alienstage 2 to get stage3, then /give all to get credits.

[Pete]

I believe the SVN is just a better way of organizing submitted sound effects than the Wiki is. Just as with the Wiki, nobody is actually doing quality checks at this time. There's no "reviewing" yet, although you might get feedback from other players.

[ziplocpeople]

Ekk those sounds are going to need a lot of rework or not to be used at all ziplock :-(

so that means you like them, if I'm reading correctly. thank.

[Heli]

What's our progress on sounds?  How many left to do?  How much money to pay someone to get the rest complete?

[c4]

Shame on you!  Open source software and the time and effort put out to create it will always be 100% free.

[jm82792]

Heck if it would cost $100 then we should raise funds and be done with it.

[ziplocpeople]

Heck if it would cost $100 then we should raise funds and be done with it.

I'm sure that's exactly how much it costs to get sounds created for a video game.

[cron]

Open source software and the time and effort put out to create it will always be 100% free.

Time and effort alone are not 'free'. Open source just means that the source code is freely available and the software is distributed for free;
that doesn't mean that it can't be expensive to develop the software, as many open source projects have paid developers.

A professional sound studio/technician could (should) be hired to create the sounds that the community isn't able to provide. Donations to fund the project could be raised using Kickstarter or another donation system.

A quick estimate of the cost could be a few hundred to several thousand dollars.

[Xirdk]

Open source software and the time and effort put out to create it will always be 100% free.

Time and effort alone are not 'free'. Open source just means that the source code is freely available and the software is distributed for free;
that doesn't mean that it can't be expensive to develop the software, as many open source projects have paid developers.

A professional sound studio/technician could (should) be hired to create the sounds that the community isn't able to provide. Donations to fund the project could be raised using Kickstarter or another donation system.

A quick estimate of the cost could be a few hundred to several thousand dollars.

Technically the development does not need to cost money, maybe if you take amount of power used and food consumed but i don't believe that counts... yet. If the community can't contribute, then it shouldn't be hart to create it yourself. That's my opinion.

[jm82792]

We should do that.
A fundraiser for sounds, we could get a forum native here that has good capacity to create sounds.
Maybe one outside of the USA, somewhere where the exchange rates favor us. There is much talent that could qualify within the good and cheap criteria.
I'd give $10 right now if we got something going.

[David]

First up would need to find out how much it would cost etc, there's a *lot* of work we would need to do before hiring someone.

[ziplocpeople]

First up would need to find out how much it would cost etc, there's a *lot* of work we would need to do before hiring someone.

Why don't we start a fundraiser to hire someone to do that work?

[F50]

First up would need to find out how much it would cost etc, there's a *lot* of work we would need to do before hiring someone.

Why don't we start a fundraiser to hire someone to do that work?

Because first we'd have to decide what work we actually want done professionally, and roughly how much we'd need.

[mooseberry]

First up would need to find out how much it would cost etc, there's a *lot* of work we would need to do before hiring someone.

Why don't we start a fundraiser to hire someone to do that work?

But who could judge who would have the ability to do the research into hiring a sound development? I say we start a fundraiser for hiring someone to look into this.

[swamp-cecil]

First up would need to find out how much it would cost etc, there's a *lot* of work we would need to do before hiring someone.

Why don't we start a fundraiser to hire someone to do that work?

But who could judge who would have the ability to do the research into hiring a sound development? I say we start a fundraiser for hiring someone to look into this.

I'd participate in donating then. Lets get 1.2 out of the way forever then we can see if we can remake tremulous on a newer engine so people, who reapd said are lazy "chungas" would actually play the game instead of jugdeing it by its graphics.
Obv that means kick up the verts and engine features.
Maybe the newest IDtech or possibly source?
Meh, lets unmyth 1.2 and make the next myth for a different engine.

[ziplocpeople]

I'd participate in donating then. Lets get 1.2 out of the way forever then we can see if we can remake tremulous on a newer engine so people, who reapd said are lazy "chungas" would actually play the game instead of jugdeing it by its graphics.
Obv that means kick up the verts and engine features.
Maybe the newest IDtech or possibly source?
Meh, lets unmyth 1.2 and make the next myth for a different engine.

As much as I like the new-engine idea, the devs have already stated that they don't want to move tremulous to another engine. Currently the newest ID engine that's opensource is idtech3, which is what tremulous uses (and the source engine, sadly, isn't open source.) However, XreaL is derived from idtech3, and looks very nice (I've tested it myself.) but, again, the devs aren't up for porting it to a new engine.
EDIT: I just realized how off topic this is getting.

[Asvarox]

Actually they (Timbo IIRC) stated that if they are going to port to anything, XReal is the only possible option for now. Basically same thing but still quite different Still it doesn't explain what engine discussion is doing in thread about sound licence?

[mooseberry]

Actually they (Timbo IIRC) stated that if they are going to port to anything, XReal is the only possible option for now. Basically same thing but still quite different Still it doesn't explain what engine discussion is doing in thread about sound licence?

I think the takeaway is it would be the easiest and best option, but that's only theoretical, no official port is going to happen. But anyways, this is too off topic.

[GeneralScott]

I still think filler sounds are in order. Have the devs release something with really crappy sounds, and within the hour someone (even me) would just compile the old sounds from Trem and put them in, and the problem is solved... No liability to the devs, which is all they care about, right?