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superpie> where's kharn?
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The_Medistation> Dunno. Lemme ask on AIM.
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kharnov has joined #
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kharnov> Okay then.
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kharnov> Here we are.
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The_Medistation> there.
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kharnov> So, who'll start first?
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superpie> you
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kharnov> Okay, well. We'll tell you everything you want to know about the whole GT thing.
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kharnov> Basically, we started up a while ago on the Dretch Storm server. Like three years ago.
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philh> it's like the nuremberg trials all over again
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The_Medistation> Then we died, save for me.
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kharnov> For a while we were completely insignificant and had about six members, me and Medi included.
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The_Medistation> my then we died came after that.
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kharnov> And yeah, we died. I went on to Urban Terror. Only Medi kept playing, so he became our leader.
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kharnov> Normally we didn't have a leader, but Medi was there for us and carried the tag on. So by default, he was the leader. Conveniently, 1.2 came out around this time.
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kharnov> We started playing 1.2 and found that early on it had no clan scene at all. We saw our chance. A prime opportunity.
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The_Medistation> (around this time must be like, a year later 'cause GT was mia for ages)
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kharnov> Thus, we wanted to do something about this clan scene. We started GT all over again, and immediately began recruiting and attracting old members from 1.1.
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kharnov> We had the best of intentions while doing this. We even had the lofty goal of creating a clan scene on 1.2. Unfortunately, things rapidly became ugly.
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kharnov> In our earliest stages, GT was just a group of people that chilled on Dretch Storm and had some laughs. We were never trolls or griefers.
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The_Medistation> And we sorta turned a blind eye to the abomination we created- keeping the GT of old in mind.
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kharnov> Some of us did that every now and then, like RealPandemonium, so there was some negative connotations involved with the GT tag when we carried over to 1.2.
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kharnov> Me and Medi were always the leaders, along with Fakewun. We liked to keep at least some sort of dignity, you know.
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kharnov> But then we come onto 1.2, and what happens? People fucking love us. They all join us, lured by LOL GRANGERS and
kharnov R U FIRM???
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The_Medistation> It was kinda nice at first...
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The_Medistation> Then it got kinda... worse. and worse.
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kharnov> We rapidly ballooned in size from me and Medi to about fifty members in just a month, encouraged by low recruitment standards.
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kharnov> We had the best intentions in mind, but the only way we could attract more people was to continue acting like morons.
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kharnov> Thus, we drew the ire of the admin body. I can understand why you'd hate us.
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The_Medistation> Keep acting like the GT of new.
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kharnov> This isn't us, though. For fucks sake, I'm 21. You see how I act without the GT tag on.
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kharnov> After a while, we just couldn't take it anymore. We were tired of all these masses of morons.
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kharnov> So we decided to end things on our third founding anniversary.
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The_Medistation> We decided to kill it, when in sept? We decided the anniversary would be a nice backstab to those we created- those we loathed.
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kharnov> Yep.
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kharnov> Can you imagine what sort of position I was in?
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kharnov> Having to connect and keep up the image of being that moron?
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superpie> so you just decided to pretend it didn't exist
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kharnov> LOL
kharnov, GRANGERS? HEY
kharnov DO YOU LIKE GRANGERS
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superpie> and that it never had
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kharnov>
kharnov R U FIRM??? LOL
kharnov<
kharnov>
kharnov TALK TO ME
kharnov kharnov<
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superpie: Eh, it was our way at getting back at the GT of new- though we are fully to blame for it.
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kharnov> Yes, that was the easiest way to kill it.
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kharnov> How else could we do it?
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superpie> but it had a backlash, there were secondary gt clans created
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kharnov> They're all dead or dying.
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superpie> you could have ended it with a bit of dignity
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kharnov> The "leadership" passed from one moron to another.
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kharnov> I hate every single one of them.
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kharnov> You saw what we did to those ESF people.
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kharnov> In a way, they were a result of the new GT.
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The_Medistation> Yeah, it did- but if we had just "killed it" one of the inner council members would've probably picked it up, and kept it in the disgusting direction it was headed in.
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kharnov> We thoroughly destroyed them and wiped them from Tremulous. ESF no longer exists.
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kharnov> That's a whole clan of trolls you never have to worry about again.
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kharnov> I can't stress enough that I don't want to be viewed as that moronic "
kharnov" figure that the personality cult was centered around.
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The_Medistation> To be honest, I really regret bringing GT to 1.2, if I'd known this would be the outcome- us spawning these masses I'd of kept GT in my memories, good memories.
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kharnov> You see how I post on the forums. I try to be helpful. I try to make things.
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superpie> why did you promote so many gt members as admins?
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kharnov> That was shiz that did it.
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kharnov> If I'm not mistaken, I promoted...
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kharnov> Heli, Zeyphr..
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kharnov> Who else?
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kharnov> I think one or two others, but I removed their levels promptly.
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kharnov> Heli can be trusted. He's an L4 now and distances himself from GT. Zeyphr left GT anyways.
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The_Medistation> We didn't- I only recall promoting 1 or 2 people, and only to level 2. I was never one to risk my admin for a "friend"
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kharnov> Yeah, me too.
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The_Medistation> Very few members of the new GT would I ever dare call a friend.
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kharnov> I only gave a few people L3 and they still have it because they never abused. I have better judgment than you think. If I find I had poor judgment, I removed their admin levels promptly.
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kharnov> *found I had
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The_Medistation> Yeah, you did remove a few- don't recall who though.
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kharnov> Shiz.
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The_Medistation> Right.
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kharnov> Shiz gave me L3, but I removed his.
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superpie> why did you sick the hate machine on me when i decided to mute one of you?
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kharnov> I wouldn't touch Shiz with even L2.
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The_Medistation>
superpie: To be honest, attention whoring- We wanted as much attention drawn towards GT for the anniversary, negative or positive.
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The_Medistation> For that, I apologize.
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kharnov> I too.
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kharnov> We really have nothing against you.
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kharnov> I've even apologized to both of you.
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The_Medistation> Most of our actions in the GPP were a big mistake, I doubt apologizing is enough.
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kharnov> That's part of the reason why I switched over to a new qkey. If their beloved
kharnov is gone, they're just going to find something else to do.
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kharnov> You've probably seen that I have no problem kicking and muting them.
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The_Medistation> We ended in doing the exact opposite of what we intended. We wanted the GT of old, we wanted to pump up the clan scene, etc- Instead we created a monster, which had so many members other clans had nobody to pick up.
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The_Medistation> So it's really understandable if you have ill feelings towards us.
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kharnov> I wouldn't blame you.
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The_Medistation> I'd blame you for forgiving us though.
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kharnov> Tremulant, what do you say about all of this? You've been silent.
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The_Medistation> He could be afk, or possibly thinking.
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philh> yeah, sorry, i've been busy not caring
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superpie> he's submitting it to wikileaks
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philh glances
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philh> shhh pie
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superpie> julian will be furious with you two
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kharnov> You mentioned something about the conspiracy theories on the forum.
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The_Medistation>
superpie: Wikileaks has had submissions closed for quite a while =p
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kharnov> Well shit, look at who wrote all of that.
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kharnov> Outflanked, the guy behind ESF.
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kharnov> Have you SEEN the ESF site?
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kharnov>
https://sites.google.com/site/esfcreed/news<@
superpie> well i have exhausted my supply of popcorn
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kharnov> The guy wrote a copious amount of text about
kharnov and GT.
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The_Medistation> ESF Was one of the GT spawns, the difference being it came before GT stopped existing.
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philh> the sad thing is, those kids in GT really looked up to you,
kharnov, some are really quite upset that you ignore them
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superpie> maybe their parents are alchoholics and you're the closest thing they have
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The_Medistation> They didn't look up to him- they wanted to be just like "
kharnov." It turned into a personality cult.
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philh> of course they're a sandwich short of a picnic if they think that GT-
kharnov is an aspirational figure, but hey
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kharnov> What the hell am I supposed to do? Look at me. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place over this.
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kharnov> All I can do is ignore them.
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kharnov> If they bother the server I make them shut up.
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philh> why don't you come out and publicly denounce GT and its actions under your leadership? tell everyone what you're told us?
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philh> wouldn't that end it?
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The_Medistation> Eh... I'm not sure.
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kharnov> Do you have any idea what sort of shitstorm that would cause?
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superpie> an awesome one
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The_Medistation> It could- but yeah, I'd expect a shitstorm.
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superpie> it would be fun
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The_Medistation> If you wish, I'll denounce it- I refuse to mention it by name, it was never the real GT. but I'll denounce it all the same.
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The_Medistation> As for
kharnov, he wants the "
kharnov" persona dead. He wants to start new, so he probably doesn't want more attention brought to him by making a post like that on the forums.
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kharnov> "
kharnov" is dead.
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philh> " I refuse to mention it by name, it was never the real GT." so very, very emo
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philh> it was the only GT that anyone knows
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The_Medistation> I'm aware.
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kharnov> Almost nobody remembers the old GT.
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The_Medistation> But it's not the one I want to remember.
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kharnov> Some of the DSPro people do, so I joined them.
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kharnov> I really am a member of them, if you doubt me. Look at their roster on Gameboom.
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The_Medistation> We had really mixed feelings about killing GT- We didn't want to let it go, but it wasn't "us" anymore, it became "them"
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philh> i don't care who you're a member of
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philh> i really do think that your peculiarly romantic notions regarding the true GT are a problem
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kharnov> It's never going to resurface.
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kharnov> It's dead forever.
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kharnov> I've accepted this and moved on.
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superpie> wow dretch storm was 4 years ago already
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superpie>
http://gameboom.net/profile/superpie<
kharnov> Did you both get the explanation you wanted? Is there anything I can clarify for you?
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superpie> im done, if
philh has no objections you can leave
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The_Medistation>
philh: To be honest, the most fun I had on trem was with the old GT- that's why it may seem "romantic" or "emo"
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philh> i don't recall asking for this, but yes, i think you've prattled on for long enough
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kharnov> Can I ask what your verdict is?
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superpie> GUILTY
