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SirDude

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Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« on: December 31, 2010, 03:23:59 am »
siple idea that will make useing the Basilisk easier.

the Idea: when you have a human grabbed, hold down E so that your left and right strafes are converted into rotational movement around the target. your distance from the target becomes locked and you can only move around the target and jump up.



This won't make the Basilisk OP as no stats are changed, but makes using it easier to use meaning defending your self verses a H+LA is easier, and you might even have a chance on a BS.


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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2010, 04:32:06 am »
No, this would make basi too strong.
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 05:34:24 am »
That isn't a terrible idea.
Maybe give the basi a slight autoaim like a portion of what your saying so it's not auto strafe but not totally manual.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 06:34:34 am »
Fuck no, keeping your aim on the human is a major part of skill with basi. Skill's been vastly removed in various ways from the game for GPP as it is, no more giving newbies an easier learning curve.
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 06:44:48 am »
its not that aiming that is a issue, its holding a grab while try to dodge shots to get behind a target. as you can't always just run if your detected (as the basi is so defenseless in these situations) , so you can't just get behind someone like that you have to rush from the front, and if you manage to you should be rewarded with a easier kill.


right now basi stealth is gimped. think of a TF2 spy where he can't turn 100% invisible, hes hard to see but you can see him. now imagine the only way to get a kill was with a knife taunt kill.

the basi is like that it feels kinda stealthy, but it really isn't, it feels like you could get easy kills, but its harder then it seems, it acts useful for teammates, but often gets in the way and isn't really fun or rewarding to be a support.

most players skip basi just to wait for goon, as the goon is just plan funner and easier to use.
can the basi fight and kill 5 humans with 5 bites?

TL;DR

the Basilisk is gimped but playable, needs a few improvements/abilitys.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2010, 06:46:44 am by SirDude »

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 07:09:08 am »
That idea makes sense.
Make it so that when the basi grabs the human that you can move around a little while your chewing him apart to avoid fire.
Okay now to here what Dracone has to say.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 12:18:08 pm »
Use the WASD keys, Luke.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2010, 12:28:25 pm »
Use the WASD keys, Luke.
But, meisseli, everyone knows you're a pro with a godlike command of serious directional control key skillz, come on.
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2010, 03:51:13 pm »
Use the WASD keys, Luke.
But, meisseli, everyone knows you're a pro with a godlike command of serious directional control key skillz, come on.
I can too. Well....Maybe not on a bsuit. You just jump on the dudes head from the front and walk to the back of their head.
these are stupid suggestions, don't even waste our time.
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2010, 05:45:58 pm »
the Basilisk is gimped but playable, needs a few improvements/abilitys.
First of all, don't use the word "gimped". Second, the basi's stealth has not been nerfed. It has, in fact, been significantly improved. Some would even argue that it's too strong.

its not that aiming that is a issue, its holding a grab while try to dodge shots to get behind a target.
That's kind of the point. Basi already takes relatively little skill compared to what it used to be. Making this automatic would just be rediculous and a very bad idea.
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2010, 05:53:40 pm »
No. First: adding another button and movement mode just for this is not worth it, I'd rather have the devs fix some god damn bugs. Second: is it really so difficult to aim at an already grabbed human and press left/right? Besides, you need to take box shaped bboxes and walls into account.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2010, 07:30:50 pm »
The basi in combat was fundamentally the same in 1.1 with movement and aim, except that it took more aim since you had to be accurate with swipe to get the most out of it, on top of being able to hold your grabs. But I never heard a complaint with this whole maneuvering around a grabbed human. People grew into being good with basi despite the way it was. And it's the same now, people are improving with it as it is without needing crazy changes like SirDude's suggestion.

Look at Rezyn; never was much of a stand out pro or anything but he has developed a pretty good basi. Maybe I missed seeing him use it in 1.1 or something, though I didn't see him very often in that, but clearly people can get good with basi as it is and learn to move around the humans they grab. So changes to that are unnecessary. If you're pissed because you suck with it, deal with it.
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2010, 09:21:25 pm »
Dracone, Mars, and this other guy were annoying the human's to heck the other day with their basilisks. I remember loosing a chaingun to these guys while having at least 4 teammates around me (they were shooting at the other annoying basilisks)
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2011, 02:20:57 am »
Dude it's just like every other class/weapon :
Put it in the right hands, it's OP.
Put it in the wrong ones, and we get threads like this.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2011, 02:35:01 am »
the Basilisk is gimped but playable, needs a few improvements/abilitys.
First of all, don't use the word "gimped". Second, the basi's stealth has not been nerfed. It has, in fact, been significantly improved. Some would even argue that it's too strong.

its not that aiming that is a issue, its holding a grab while try to dodge shots to get behind a target.
That's kind of the point. Basi already takes relatively little skill compared to what it used to be. Making this automatic would just be rediculous and a very bad idea.



i didn't say the basi was nerfed, the stealth of a basi is very limited and so is its potential for combat in any form. and as a support for other aliens may be useful, it is not fun/rewarding to play as and often getts in the way. therefor it is "gimped" so to speak.(also it isn't automatic, you have to hold down your use key)

The basi in combat was fundamentally the same in 1.1 with movement and aim, except that it took more aim since you had to be accurate with swipe to get the most out of it, on top of being able to hold your grabs. But I never heard a complaint with this whole maneuvering around a grabbed human. People grew into being good with basi despite the way it was. And it's the same now, people are improving with it as it is without needing crazy changes like SirDude's suggestion.

Look at Rezyn; never was much of a stand out pro or anything but he has developed a pretty good basi. Maybe I missed seeing him use it in 1.1 or something, though I didn't see him very often in that, but clearly people can get good with basi as it is and learn to move around the humans they grab. So changes to that are unnecessary. If you're pissed because you suck with it, deal with it.

its not really about how easy it is to use, but how specialized it really is and not really being a very fun class to use.
you can't always just run if your detected (as the basi is so defenseless in these situations)


having a specialized class for stealth when its stealth is easily compromised, is VERY bad.
even more so if you combine this with a healer.

this idea isn't that best, but its the best for devs who don't want the basi to turn invisible visually and or to radar. if it could do both (TF2 Spy style). it would be a MUCH funner class to play as and encourage teamwork on the humans side.


if invisibility like that really made it in game.
I say in S1 the basi can only turn invisible visually for 5 seconds.
and in S2 it can turn invisible visually/to radar for 6.2 seconds.

the invisibility idea most likely won't be accepted, as people still like being able to solo a base occasionally, so I still stick with my first idea.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2011, 06:49:48 am by SirDude »

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2011, 02:41:33 am »
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« Last Edit: January 01, 2011, 02:56:32 am by SirDude »

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2011, 02:46:23 am »
why did you quote yourself?
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2011, 03:59:11 am »
Stealth of a bassy limited? BAH! Only in some areas where even a dretch can;t be stealthy is an exeption. Hide at high roofs or nooks and crannies.

Basilisk is special. All aliens are special. Dretches have speed and abnormal strength. Maras have electricity and walljump ETC. how in any way is basilisk "special"?. If you are good at it, Its fun. And besides, how can you not like a 1 evo assasin?

Invisibility? Play KoRx
these are stupid suggestions, don't even waste our time.
I don't like your negative attitude.

SirDude

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2011, 06:53:14 am »
try sneaking up on someone with a helm, near impossible to actually sneak up on them.
that's why its stealth is so limited, and if they are sprinting away from (IE builder) you can't catch up them.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2011, 07:55:27 am »
try sneaking up on someone with a helm, near impossible to actually sneak up on them.
that's why its stealth is so limited, and if they are sprinting away from (IE builder) you can't catch up them.

Sometimes, humans dont pay attention to their radar. But thats when they are in combat. And a builder, they will have to stop to build something soon enough. Keep chasing em till they "black out".
For a helmet dude, get near him, gas, get behind him.
these are stupid suggestions, don't even waste our time.
I don't like your negative attitude.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2011, 08:05:03 am »
Well, even when i don't pay attention to it, i still see red somewhere down there...

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2011, 10:13:47 am »
try getting a kill as a basi when the human is already in combat, you will get targeted first/kill-stealed.

if i was a builder, i WOULD pull out the blaster, so i wouldn't be helpless.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2011, 12:45:56 pm »
most players skip basi just to wait for goon, as the goon is just plan funner and easier to use.
can the basi fight and kill 5 humans with 5 bites?
Try not to play basi like a goon to improve.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2011, 09:04:21 pm »
if i was a builder, i WOULD pull out the blaster, so i wouldn't be helpless.
I'm sorry? blaster vs. basi is better than helpless? If the basi's any good you're probably buggered unless you happen to be wielding something with considerable splash.
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2011, 01:23:04 am »
I've kills a few basi with a blaster where the basi didn't just rush right at me.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2011, 01:29:22 am »
Then the basi really sucked.
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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2011, 02:07:56 am »
Then the basi really sucked.
ive killed a tyrant with a blaster
how? luck and KS.
you will get targeted. so what? learn to be stealthy.
And if you get KSed and complain about it, get used to it. The world is not X server.
these are stupid suggestions, don't even waste our time.
I don't like your negative attitude.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2011, 02:21:51 am »
you haven't been reading what ive been saying, the stealth of a basi hits a ceiling very fast.
because the basi relies on that stealth it can't be a effective fighter.


case in point, when ever i see a basi i see a easy kill.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2011, 02:28:35 am »
The basi doesn't completely *rely* on stealth. It is possible to get to and grab humans even if they are aware of you. It might be a bit more fun if it was a bit more stealthy, but it's not significantly underpowered.

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Re: Basilisk (for the lack of a better word) rotating grip.
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2011, 03:08:38 am »
i DID say it was playable! its just no where near on par with other aliens.