Who's going to TremZ? (POLL)

[/dev/humancontroller]

(Wall of text, which I read.)

Do you even know, what sci-fi actually means, do you? Wikipedia (how mundane) has good description what Sci-fi (or proper, Science Fiction) is.

Your counter-arguments are invalid.

irrelevant.
YOU are invalid.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Exactly. Go start your shitstorm elsewhere.

i would have left it at that if volt had not come with that wall of text telling me how no one agrees with me and no one likes me.

funny how people agree with me.  who knows, someone might actually even like me.

and what do you know, other people have not joined the tremz forums for the very same reason i have not.

this leads me to believe that i am not the one bringing the shitstorm.  i just opened the floodgate by somehow enticing volt to post things that are even more damning than his past behavior.

and why even bother discussing it on the tremz forums?  volt has admitted to censoring feedback, if volt admits it, how many other moderator/developer types also do the same?

oh, and about science fiction, his arguement is completely valid...  depending on how "hard" the science fiction in question is.

but again, i bring up the out of game example of a 90 pound weakling deadlifting half a ton, and the ingame examples of blaster+ and blobgoon.  for some of us, these are immersion breaking.  some of us prefer more science and less fiction.  our feedback reflects this.

[Celestial_Rage]

Sigh. Tremz alien designs completely break any chance of immersion. The modeler needs to look up how muscles work. Sure, their joints could be powered by magic, but I think they should stick to muscles. Btw, can that turret actually aim upwards? There's a lot of comments & criticism I could give on those models, but considering the responses given so far by Tremz devs, I won't bother. (At least the pulse rifle looks awesome)

When people say our models are "fugly," it does absolutely nothing to help us. Tell what what about them is "fugly" and exactly what we can do to improve them. We want feedback. We really do, but there is a proper format and protocol for feedback. You can sign up on our forums or talk to us on IRC and we will listen, but only if it is helpful, not if you push a general statement without any suggestions as to how it could be improved.

For instance, your comment about the muscles: what exactly is wrong with them? Are they too small? Too big? Force the aliens to use muscles in a way that is not possible? I would love to hear the rest of what you have to say.

[Volt]

Sigh. Tremz alien designs completely break any chance of immersion. The modeler needs to look up how muscles work. Sure, their joints could be powered by magic, but I think they should stick to muscles. Btw, can that turret actually aim upwards? There's a lot of comments & criticism I could give on those models, but considering the responses given so far by Tremz devs, I won't bother. (At least the pulse rifle looks awesome)

TremZ aliens overdose on LSD& steroids (also between you and me tyrant is a coke head and granger smokes weed) at least this is what I've heard.

You guys keep saying "Immersion" which is thrown around pretty loosely, lets step back and look at what that word actually means.

Immersion - Deep mental involvement

Lets take a look at the stock Tremulous and how many logical laws are broken "for instance goons and rants have imaginary swords that they use to cut people no where near them." There is a ton of stuff that just doesn't make sense with this game. At the end of the day we play(ed) Tremulous for solely two reasons
1. It was free
2. It was fun

The issue with your guys feedback isn't that it's not good it's that simply put there is no concept art to back it up, this makes it difficult to figure out just what exactly you guys want. The Tremz folks put a lot of effort into going through many different designs and models and are constantly looking for feedback. But when you just link to creature design tutorials and say ok this should be like that and don't provide any visual feedback or photoshoped lines over model it makes it hard to take you seriously. Also I'd like to note I'm no longer a TremZ dev so any comments I said above were my opinions and not that of the current TremZ team. If you look at the the TremZ forums they have done a pretty good job of listening and taking in feedback so please don't go basing your views on what the people here post and what I posted independently. The majority of the comments trolling/mocking/insulting RAKninja-Decepticon are from community members not affiliated with the TremZ development team.

 this is the current design they're trying to adhere to.

















Now here is a example of development process,
They started with this


which then became


which now looks like

Exactly. Go start your shitstorm elsewhere.

i would have left it at that if volt had not come with that wall of text telling me how no one agrees with me and no one likes me.

funny how people agree with me.  who knows, someone might actually even like me.

and what do you know, other people have not joined the tremz forums for the very same reason i have not.

this leads me to believe that i am not the one bringing the shitstorm.  i just opened the floodgate by somehow enticing volt to post things that are even more damning than his past behavior.

and why even bother discussing it on the tremz forums?  volt has admitted to censoring feedback, if volt admits it, how many other moderator/developer types also do the same?

oh, and about science fiction, his arguement is completely valid...  depending on how "hard" the science fiction in question is.

but again, i bring up the out of game example of a 90 pound weakling deadlifting half a ton, and the ingame examples of blaster+ and blobgoon.  for some of us, these are immersion breaking.  some of us prefer more science and less fiction.  our feedback reflects this.

People agreeing with you? that would be fucking rare as shit. The majority of players and community support TremZ just look at the poll and feedback on the TremZ forums. The old development team for Tremulous supports TremZ (at least the active ones still doing anything for this game.) and have been working alongside TremZ development for sometime. You are more than welcome to not join the forums no one is going to force you, what everyone has been trying to tell you is this isn't the area/place for discussion about TremZ stuff that. All TremZ related disscusions belong on the TremZ foums!(there are literally two different games with different goals and features.)

I admitted to censoring my comments and no one elses, I have never censored someone elses comments. I might not like what you say but you are free to say it , just know that your views are subject to replies from me (and if you sound stupid I will let you know just how stupid you really are.). I will not sugar coat anything for you and tell you exactly how I feel.

In conclusion, stop throwing the word immersion out so loosely. None of you guys had any problem being immersed into gameplay with aliens that had 12ft imaginary swords in front of them that printed "was chomped by" after killing enemies. Ojr having humans who can carry well over 300 pounds worth of gear and run out of stamina within a few seconds (and throw grenades with no hands, better yet use any weaponry without hands and mind power.). I believe your claims of immersion are  invalid. Had the topic been "Realistic Tremulous game, or Realistic aliens based on the Tremulous universe." I would have been inclined to agreed with you and your feedback on creature design. But sadly we are talking about a game that needs a update 3years ago, running on technology that is ancient compared to modern engines and using a model format that is very limited in terms of anything that isn't human. I'm pretty sure if you saw how old (1.1) aliens looked unwrapped without any textures you would see just how ugly and unrealistic they look compared to the new ones.


What do you care right, this game is already in the dead zone none of the skilled players actually play anymore there aren't any new players and there is never anymore than 150 players> on (1.1,gpp) at any given time anymore, at this rate game will be down to 10players by June of this year. So if you seriously want to see your alien muscles and additions added in provide some concept art or some really detailed design documents and post on the TremZ forums. If not feel free to not post links on how to do things instead of actually helping.

Sincerely,
Volt
Big fucking E-Penis having mother fucker. 

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

points of fact, i did provide "constructive feedback" in the past.  not only did i link to design tutorials, i posted real world examples of creatures with anatomy that could be adapted to alien models.  the responses i got were mockery from the public, and "STFU or do better yourself" from tremz devs.  tremz devs do not want constructive feedback, they want praise.

volt, can you not read?  there are at least two other people other than i in this very thread, in this very exchange, saying that the alien models have unbelievably unrealistic anatomy.  as this is what i have been saying, yes, people are agreeing with me...  or i am agreeing with them.  rare ass shit indeed.

for all your talk of "tremz discussion belongs on tremz forums", you sure are doing your part on ensuring that this discussion here continues.  in fact, there is about a page and a half of posts that would not exist in this thread, if you had practiced what you preach and not "opened your mouth", so to speak.

yes, 1.1 and gpp aliens are pretty ugly.  yes, there are unrealistic aspects of gamplay in 1.1 and gpp (amazed you didnt bring up dretch floor headbites).  thing is, both 1.1 and gpp are on the ioq3 engine.  tremz is working on the more modern openwolf engine.  i expect more of it.  especially when improved graphics and such are one of the major selling points.  really the only selling point considering that apparently the gameplay with be user's choice of 1.1 or gpp.

[/dev/humancontroller]

You guys keep saying "Immersion" which is thrown around pretty loosely, lets step back and look at what that word actually means.

Immersion - Deep mental involvement

the use of the word immersion is not something i came up with. in my thoughts, i used explainability before i knew that there is already a widely used word for it.

Lets take a look at the stock Tremulous and how many logical laws are broken "for instance goons and rants have imaginary swords that they use to cut people no where near them." There is a ton of stuff that just doesn't make sense with this game. At the end of the day we play(ed) Tremulous for solely two reasons
1. It was free
2. It was fun

The issue with your guys feedback isn't that it's not good it's that simply put there is no concept art to back it up, this makes it difficult to figure out just what exactly you guys want. The Tremz folks put a lot of effort into going through many different designs and models and are constantly looking for feedback. But when you just link to creature design tutorials and say ok this should be like that and don't provide any visual feedback or photoshoped lines over model it makes it hard to take you seriously.

In conclusion, stop throwing the word immersion out so loosely. None of you guys had any problem being immersed into gameplay with aliens that had 12ft imaginary swords in front of them that printed "was chomped by" after killing enemies. Ojr having humans who can carry well over 300 pounds worth of gear and run out of stamina within a few seconds (and throw grenades with no hands, better yet use any weaponry without hands and mind power.). I believe your claims of immersion are  invalid.

i did not state that i had an exact thought on what the new alien models should look like, nor did i state that the immersion in Tremulous is perfect. i said that the new alien models look uber fugly, and seeing that you don't understand RAK's point, i explained immersion in detail and with examples; and i also said that the immersion in the new models is a lot worse than in the current models.

All TremZ related disscusions belong on the TremZ foums!(there are literally two different games with different goals and features.)

that is potentially a very bad place for such discussions, because there is an admin named kharnov on that forum, who is the #1 banhammer of immersion advocates.

Had the topic been "Realistic Tremulous game, or Realistic aliens based on the Tremulous universe." I would have been inclined to agreed with you and your feedback on creature design.

explainable, not realistic.

But sadly we are talking about a game that needs a update 3years ago, running on technology that is ancient compared to modern engines and using a model format that is very limited in terms of anything that isn't human.

irrelevant.

I'm pretty sure if you saw how old (1.1) aliens looked unwrapped without any textures you would see just how ugly and unrealistic they look compared to the new ones.

ORLY ! i've seen the textured versions of (some of) the new alien models as well, and they are fugly.

[CorSair]

So be it.



If someone wants to create something, either by his or group's taste, they do it the way they want.

They can give some pictures, videos, data or something that relates of their products, to receive feedback.

however, every people has different taste how they should look, act, sound, work. It is clear, that different tastes causes conflicts between people.

But in the end, the final judgement is done by the hand of developer. He decides what is good for his products and shall be implemented to his product. He can ignore, or receive feedback, both positive and negative, illogical and logical.



On shorter version;
Not everyone can be appealed.

I hope this shall be final word on my part.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

So be it.



If someone wants to create something, either by his or group's taste, they do it the way they want.

They can give some pictures, videos, data or something that relates of their products, to receive feedback.

however, every people has different taste how they should look, act, sound, work. It is clear, that different tastes causes conflicts between people.

But in the end, the final judgement is done by the hand of developer. He decides what is good for his products and shall be implemented to his product. He can ignore, or receive feedback, both positive and negative, illogical and logical.



On shorter version;
Not everyone can be appealed.

I hope this shall be final word on my part.

this is quite true.  the real problem crops up when said developer acts like a child when those concepts clash.  most (good) developers flatly ignore and do not respond to feedback that clashes with their ideals.  or possibly state "that does not mesh with our design principals". 

what they do not do is say "STFU or do better yourself"  "your opinion does not matter because you suxorz"  "OMG you understand design concepts i have not been exposed to, you must be batshit insane!" or someting of the ilk.

furthermore, most good developers can recognize good feedback, even if it is critical and does not praise them.  they do not throw tantrums, and then claim they actually want feedback.  they do not cry because every word spoken about their work is not praise.  that's some deviantArt shit, yo.

had tremz devs responded to my criticism with a post like yours, i likely would have dropped the issue, aside from the occasional jab...  a good spirited, all in fun, jab.

[Volt]

this is quite true.  the real problem crops up when said developer acts like a child when those concepts clash.  most (good) developers flatly ignore and do not respond to feedback that clashes with their ideals.  or possibly state "that does not mesh with our design principals". 

what they do not do is say "STFU or do better yourself"  "your opinion does not matter because you suxorz"  "OMG you understand design concepts i have not been exposed to, you must be batshit insane!" or someting of the ilk.

furthermore, most good developers can recognize good feedback, even if it is critical and does not praise them.  they do not throw tantrums, and then claim they actually want feedback.  they do not cry because every word spoken about their work is not praise.  that's some deviantArt shit, yo.

had tremz devs responded to my criticism with a post like yours, i likely would have dropped the issue, aside from the occasional jab...  a good spirited, all in fun, jab.

From what I can tell not a single TremZ developer attacked your opinions *ever*,`ishq aka celestial rage and everyone else on the TremZ team have replied to your post and tried to listen to your feedback, but yet again you prove how stupid you are. Now what me and other non TremZ developers said is our opinion if you say something idiotic it's subject to getting trolled. No one who insulted you is responsible for that concept art or models, so even hinting that we(People who insulted you.) can't take criticism for something we're not responsible for is improper.

When you (RAKninja-Decepticon) say stuff that is just simply RETARDED people will call you out on it, this is after all a forum where discussion is encouraged. Also I like to note that DevHC someone who is a Tremz Developer has been siding with you as of late, you are so stupid not a single TremZ has insulted you, every insult thus far has been from regular forum members. Again if you haven't read it in my previous messages, my opinions are mine alone and do not represent the current views on the TremZ team. 

Also stop fucking beating around the bush I've directly replied to you in every post thus far and have let you know that I was talking about you "RAKninja-Decepticon" stop hinting to more than one person and say who you have your talking about in your post, then again what can you expect from a coward who fails at moving his mouse around on a screen.

Also "what they do not do is say "STFU or do better yourself"  "your opinion does not matter because you suxorz"  "OMG you understand design concepts i have not been exposed to, you must be batshit insane!" or someting of the ilk." -RAKninja-Decepticon

I believe this was from regular forum users who were trying to tell you that you are a dumbfuck (in the nicest possible way I can say it). everyone who has replied to you from Tremz has been polite to you and even agreeing with you in some cases(DevHC) So stop trying to make this a RAKninja-Decepticon vs TremZ developers issue. This is a RAKninja-Decepticon is stupid vs regular community members and nothing else.

So in conclusion I'll restate my views, I honestly believe you are a stupid(Not knowledgeable in anything related to game design, art, or hand eye coordination U SUX 4 L1FE @ COMPUTER gamez How hard is it to point and click? )

1. You state stupid opinions on just about everything, I rarely see anything you post as good feedback and you've contributed nothing towards community that and you have the worst motor skills known to man, which leads me to believe you are too preoccupied failing at life to even improve .

2.  Every reply you've received so far from the TremZ ppl has been helpful to refresh your memory,

first christmas estimates release

then new years

now, last day of feb?

smells like 1.2 to me.

Visit our forums to hear about progress and why we moved the release date forwards.

Also,

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i know you lost your lead developer.  i know about the feature bloat.

Cele is doing a great job managing the project. We are adding new features but the game is far from bloated, and I don't foresee this becoming a problem in the future.

those fugly aliens are part of the reason i dont particularly care about tremz.

These models are still WIP, and constructive criticism is very helpful at this stage. Right now, we are in a position to change models and fix things, so don't just gripe about it, give us something to work off of.

i did.  i know you lost your lead developer.  i know about the feature bloat.

those fugly aliens are part of the reason i dont particularly care about tremz.

i could list many more reasons, but i dont think this is the place to do so.

Hop on over to our forums, you can offer constructive feedback there: www.tremz.com/community[/url]

Sigh. Tremz alien designs completely break any chance of immersion. The modeler needs to look up how muscles work. Sure, their joints could be powered by magic, but I think they should stick to muscles. Btw, can that turret actually aim upwards? There's a lot of comments & criticism I could give on those models, but considering the responses given so far by Tremz devs, I won't bother. (At least the pulse rifle looks awesome)

When people say our models are "fugly," it does absolutely nothing to help us. Tell what what about them is "fugly" and exactly what we can do to improve them. We want feedback. We really do, but there is a proper format and protocol for feedback. You can sign up on our forums or talk to us on IRC and we will listen, but only if it is helpful, not if you push a general statement without any suggestions as to how it could be improved.

For instance, your comment about the muscles: what exactly is wrong with them? Are they too small? Too big? Force the aliens to use muscles in a way that is not possible? I would love to hear the rest of what you have to say.

I also will not stay silent while you insult Greg's aliens which are not fugly, just because they don't fit the insane design you had in mind for aliens that doesn't mean they are bad.

but those alien models are really fugly!

As a former developer and long time tremulous player this is what I've wanted to tell you for a while "Please shut the fuck up if you seriously have nothing good to contribute in terms of feedback."

RAK did post links to articles describing animal design theories which support immersion. apparently, almost noone bothered to read the articles (i did).

leave this community no one likes you.

orly

Here is also another thought, the TremZ folk are doing this all for you for the price of $0.00 USD they are putting in hours of every week that they could be using to do other things.

voluntaryness is a bad excuse for producing something of high quality. fortunately, bad work can be decried. unfortunately, not much beyond that can be done against bad voluntary work.

So that is 4 tremz developers being mean to you and calling you stupid right? You're still the victim of Developer hate right?

Re read the topic you tard, everyone who has insulted you are hurt your *Internet feelings* is a regular community member, all I see is a stupid child  unable to read in between the lines making it into something about him being a victim.

Give actual feedback that is useful, draw some concepts submit some changes and most importantly stop being #FAIL @ #LIFE

I  eagerly await the next few replies from you, they are really entertaining this has most definitively been an amazing experience to witness first hand a real interaction with one of those so called "Sacks of meat with no brains"  that pollutes our planet xD 

[Creative1]

rofl

[Tremulant]

When the only guy who agrees with you is devhc, whether you had a point or not, it's probably time to call it a day.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

volt, are you that fucking stupid that you dont even read what you quote?

look at the thread you quoted before....  back when you WERE lead developer.

TL:DR Person has a complex mental disorder that makes him believe that he knows alien anatomy, additionally he believes that he understands the anatomy of aliens in a project he isn't involved in. *GIGGLES*

as for tremz team not taking criticism well, i refer you to the tremz thread previewing the female marine.

your opinions are your own, but are the same as when you were the lead for the tremz project.  sorry, that's not something you can erase.  i see much ado is made about how you "Stepped down" because you "needed a break".  tell the truth, you got forced out because you make the entire team look bad with your childishness, right?

i was speaking of bad developers.  i was hoping you were smart enough to know i meant you specifically.  thing is, it also applies to any developer of anything.  it's still some dieviantArt shit, yo.

no, volt....  it's really come down to you vs me.  while i am flattered that you value me so much as to keep inviting me to the tremz forums and repeat what i have already said there, from what i see, attitudes like your own are somewhat prevalent there.    i know this because i looked at the silly forum just the other day ago.
state your opinion all you like.  you could be of the opinion that the sky is green, with purple polka dots.  that equal in grounding to your opinion of me.

furthermore, i am not uniqpheonix, nor am i D/HC.  you are so caught up in whatever fervor you have worked yourself into, that you blindly started quoting things.  that, or you have the IQ of an ostrich, and dont read very well.

let me refresh your memory a final time.  i have given good, constructive, feedback.  this was before you even had forums to post in.  because of the way you, the development lead at the time, responded to me, i lost interest in even offering that much support.  this is how i know you are not fit to be a developer at all.  instead of bringing up my feedback to the team member(s) it needed to go to, you decided to mock me....  because you have no fucking clue how the artistic design process works.

in closing, i never claimed to be any kind of a victom.  ive only said that you are a bad developer, and members of your former team do not take criticism well at all.  you are the retard, you are reading between the lines for something that is not there, and missing what the fucking lines are.  i am not offering any more feedback than i already have.  i have said everything i wish to about what i like and dislike about the tremz alien models.  they have not changed appreciably, so my feedback from before remains likewise unchanged.

if you care so fucking much, copy and past what i said before to the tremz forums.

I  eagerly await the next few replies from you, they are really entertaining this has most definitively been an amazing experience to witness first hand a real interaction with one of those so called "Sacks of meat with no brains"  that pollutes our planet xD  

what, you dont read your own posts?  you experience that shit every time you hit the post button.  i know i do.

When the only guy who agrees with you is devhc, whether you had a point or not, it's probably time to call it a day.

uniqpheonix does not count 

[/dev/humancontroller]

I also will not stay silent while you insult Greg's aliens which are not fugly, just because they don't fit the insane design you had in mind for aliens that doesn't mean they are bad.

but those alien models are really fugly!

As a former developer and long time tremulous player this is what I've wanted to tell you for a while "Please shut the fuck up if you seriously have nothing good to contribute in terms of feedback."

RAK did post links to articles describing animal design theories which support immersion. apparently, almost noone bothered to read the articles (i did).

leave this community no one likes you.

orly

Here is also another thought, the TremZ folk are doing this all for you for the price of $0.00 USD they are putting in hours of every week that they could be using to do other things.

voluntaryness is a bad excuse for producing something of high quality. fortunately, bad work can be decried. unfortunately, not much beyond that can be done against bad voluntary work.

So that is 4 tremz developers being mean to you and calling you stupid right? You're still the victim of Developer hate right?

Re read the topic you tard, everyone who has insulted you are hurt your *Internet feelings* is a regular community member, all I see is a stupid child  unable to read in between the lines making it into something about him being a victim.

Give actual feedback that is useful, draw some concepts submit some changes and most importantly stop being #FAIL @ #LIFE

I  eagerly await the next few replies from you, they are really entertaining this has most definitively been an amazing experience to witness first hand a real interaction with one of those so called "Sacks of meat with no brains"  that pollutes our planet xD 

i have a feeling that you are trolling the wrong person.

[Creative1]

members of your former team do not take criticism well at all

I think most TremZ devs take criticism well...

Evidence to back up that claim so you can put me in my place pl0x?

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

members of your former team do not take criticism well at all

I think most TremZ devs take criticism well...

Evidence to back up that claim so you can put me in my place pl0x?

http://www.tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=40&pid=786#pid786
hard to find other examples...  because there are so few examples of feedback that is not "awesome job, i like it".
BTW, this example is the one ive been referencing for a few posts.  combined with volt's behavior, hard to take you guys seriously when you answer complaints with "whatever".

while gratifying, that kind of feedback does nothing to further development.

i did find another instance of volt being a prick on my quick browsethrough of that bloated forum tremz has, but i didnt bother checking the date to see if he was still developing at the time as we all know volt gets pissy unless he gets the internet equivalent of a handjob

[Volt]

i have a feeling that you are trolling the wrong person.

No difference between devHC and RAKninja-Decepticon is quite simple, DevHC when he trolls will give his victim a wall of text of actual useful content. He also backs up his claims with what we educated people call facts and has been known to just do it himself (code wise) in the past when suggesting features, RAKninja-Decepticon on the other hand is just a toilet that everyone should piss on.

members of your former team do not take criticism well at all

I think most TremZ devs take criticism well...

Evidence to back up that claim so you can put me in my place pl0x?

http://www.tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=40&pid=786#pid786
hard to find other examples...  because there are so few examples of feedback that is not "awesome job, i like it".
BTW, this example is the one ive been referencing for a few posts.  combined with volt's behavior, hard to take you guys seriously when you answer complaints with "whatever".

while gratifying, that kind of feedback does nothing to further development.

i did find another instance of volt being a prick on my quick browsethrough of that bloated forum tremz has, but i didnt bother checking the date to see if he was still developing at the time as we all know volt gets pissy unless he gets the internet equivalent of a handjob

Ooooo are you offering one? if you are I'll see you in game bring some lube, I prefer to get on behind the overmind if you don't mind.

Edit:

Guys we really hurt his feelings this time, lets stop.... Internet bullying isn't cool. Look we've made a baby cry, RAKninja-Decepticon I'm sorry I shall bring you sweets later today and will ask your mother to change your diaper for you since you've soiled yourself.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

no volt, you give yourself far too much credit.

you also have a bad habit of reading your own emotions into the text of others.

just because i point out that you are a douche does not equate to you "bullying" me (lmao).

tell me, how on earth did you get so delusional?  lack of sun from living in mommy's basement finally make you snap or something?   have a breakdown of some sort after you got kicked off your own project?

[Celestial_Rage]

your opinions are your own, but are the same as when you were the lead for the tremz project.  sorry, that's not something you can erase.  i see much ado is made about how you "Stepped down" because you "needed a break".  tell the truth, you got forced out because you make the entire team look bad with your childishness, right?

That's not true. Volt left on his own; why would we force him out of the project he founded when it was his vision and guidance that got us this far?

[Creative1]

members of your former team do not take criticism well at all

I think most TremZ devs take criticism well...

Evidence to back up that claim so you can put me in my place pl0x?

http://www.tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=40&pid=786#pid786
hard to find other examples...  because there are so few examples of feedback that is not "awesome job, i like it".
BTW, this example is the one ive been referencing for a few posts.  combined with volt's behavior, hard to take you guys seriously when you answer complaints with "whatever".

1) I find nothing wrong with him answering that "complaint" with whatever because it wasn't meant to be taken that seriously.
2) Possibly you're taking it wrong because of his English? It isn't his first language so you could have mis interpreted the tone he was using.

I find the way he handled the criticism quite well, and don't see anything wrong with the way he did it. If you're only evidence is against volt taking criticism unwell than I'm going to call your argument on "the TremZ team" taking criticism badly invalid.

That is all.

[SPK]

Ooomg too much text to read, ermm...
Who is winning the discussion?

[_Equilibrium_]

Is there anywhere I can see all the preview images for this in one place?

[Meisseli]

Who is winning the discussion?

lol

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

1) I find nothing wrong with him answering that "complaint" with whatever because it wasn't meant to be taken that seriously.
2) Possibly you're taking it wrong because of his English? It isn't his first language so you could have mis interpreted the tone he was using.

I find the way he handled the criticism quite well, and don't see anything wrong with the way he did it. If you're only evidence is against volt taking criticism unwell than I'm going to call your argument on "the TremZ team" taking criticism badly invalid.

That is all.

so feedback is not to be taken seriously, and a slew of "whatever" is an acceptable response?  responding to all negative criticism with "whatever" is handling it well?".  surely his english is good enough so that he can respond to criticism with something more than "whatever"?

in addition -

http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16237.msg230060#msg230060
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16227.msg229785#msg229785

according to volt's list, they are both team members.

remember, impressions are made by what is visible.  a large amount of the tremz team do not make posts in places i look.  or under names i recognize.  or at all.  critical feedback is also rare.  the few times someone has said "i do not like this" they have been responded to in a very childish manner by one member of the team or another.

That's not true. Volt left on his own; why would we force him out of the project he founded when it was his vision and guidance that got us this far?

i bet he did! *wink, wink*  *nudge, nudge*

[Kasofa]

Who is winning the discussion?

Me.

-K

[Creative1]

1) I find nothing wrong with him answering that "complaint" with whatever because it wasn't meant to be taken that seriously.
2) Possibly you're taking it wrong because of his English? It isn't his first language so you could have mis interpreted the tone he was using.

I find the way he handled the criticism quite well, and don't see anything wrong with the way he did it. If you're only evidence is against volt taking criticism unwell than I'm going to call your argument on "the TremZ team" taking criticism badly invalid.

That is all.

so feedback is not to be taken seriously, and a slew of "whatever" is an acceptable response?  responding to all negative criticism with "whatever" is handling it well?".  surely his english is good enough so that he can respond to criticism with something more than "whatever"?

No, the "feedback" he gave in that section of his post didn't even deserve to be acknowledged let alone given a "whatever".

As for the two post, c4 and F1rst19 iirc where already taken care of, and they probably shouldn't be the ones to look at regarding taking criticism well for the TremZ team. Of course, who am I to be defending the TremZ devs.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

who am I to be defending the TremZ devs.

good question.

in fairness i have been following the internet tradition of hyperbole.  i understand that the majority of people on the project are very well mannered, swell guys.  unfortunately, that vocal minority made a lasting impression on me.

[Volt]

1) I find nothing wrong with him answering that "complaint" with whatever because it wasn't meant to be taken that seriously.
2) Possibly you're taking it wrong because of his English? It isn't his first language so you could have mis interpreted the tone he was using.

I find the way he handled the criticism quite well, and don't see anything wrong with the way he did it. If you're only evidence is against volt taking criticism unwell than I'm going to call your argument on "the TremZ team" taking criticism badly invalid.

That is all.

so feedback is not to be taken seriously, and a slew of "whatever" is an acceptable response?  responding to all negative criticism with "whatever" is handling it well?".  surely his english is good enough so that he can respond to criticism with something more than "whatever"?

in addition -

http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16237.msg230060#msg230060
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16227.msg229785#msg229785

according to volt's list, they are both team members.

remember, impressions are made by what is visible.  a large amount of the tremz team do not make posts in places i look.  or under names i recognize.  or at all.  critical feedback is also rare.  the few times someone has said "i do not like this" they have been responded to in a very childish manner by one member of the team or another.

That's not true. Volt left on his own; why would we force him out of the project he founded when it was his vision and guidance that got us this far?

i bet he did! *wink, wink*  *nudge, nudge*

Boy you really are crazy, lol getting kicked off a team I started very unlikely.  Conspiracy theories and the people who make them are exactly what TremZ needs right now, go spread your crazy stories on the TremZ forums it will add to my legend and solidify your status as a nut in the same process. Psssh I was expecting something better from you RAKninja-Decepticon but you chose a dull topic.



Now back to trolling you, fuck ur muuuuuuttttttttttttther xD

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

for not liking me, not liking my opinions, and not being involved with the project, you are awfully desperate for me to go to the tremz forums.

as for you not getting kicked off the team, sorry, but you not being on the team anymore is too good of a decision for you to have actually come up with the idea yourself.

[Tremulant]

you not being on the team anymore is too good of a decision for you to have actually come up with the idea yourself.

can't argue with that one.

[/dev/humancontroller]

Now back to trolling you, fuck ur muuuuuuttttttttttttther xD

pure trolling is the sign of admittance of a loss^TM, ie.:

Again if you haven't read it in my previous messages, my opinions are mine alone and do not represent the current views on the TremZ team. 

∀ member ∈ team:

my opinions do not represent the views of the team.

does anyone else detect retardedness here?
if you are part of the team, then your views are part of the team's view, period.