Is this dead?

[Capt. Snow]

Hey, I played this a while back, and I'm wondering if this is dead. Is it?

[CreatureofHell]

No.

[abakedpotato]

I think so, no updates in 2 years, damn. this game was good, I wish it was still alive. it looks like Natural selection 2 is going to kill any chance this game had left. I wonder if the devs even remember this game.

[CreatureofHell]

I think so, no updates in 2 years, damn. this game was good, I wish it was still alive. it looks like Natural selection 2 is going to kill any chance this game had left. I wonder if the devs even remember this game.

No.

[LuckyCharms]

Which is why I'm sitting in a server with 12 people and there are 5 other servers with ~10 people playing..... 

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Which is why I'm sitting in a server with 12 people and there are 5 other servers with ~10 people playing..... 

~60 people playing trem at 10 am est?

you stretch my credibility.  i would have believed ~20.

[Nux]

Which is why I'm sitting in a server with 12 people and there are 5 other servers with ~10 people playing..... 

~60 people playing trem at 10 am est?

you stretch my credulity.  i would have believed ~20.

FTFY, unless you genuinely don't think people should believe you.

[your face]

just a few months ago there were regularly 100+ players on 1.1, now when i check there's never more than like 40..

yes trem is dead. blahrghhh

or maybe it was from summer

i dunno but

TREM MAY DIE BUT NOS IS FOREVer

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Which is why I'm sitting in a server with 12 people and there are 5 other servers with ~10 people playing..... 

~60 people playing trem at 10 am est?

you stretch my credulity.  i would have believed ~20.

FTFY, unless you genuinely don't think people should believe you.

credibility.  the ability to credit something.  similar in meaning to credulousness.  american english is slightly different than the king's.  we use a lot of improper words like irrigardless and ain't.

just a few months ago there were regularly 100+ players on 1.1, now when i check there's never more than like 40..

yes trem is dead. blahrghhh

or maybe it was from summer

i dunno but

TREM MAY DIE BUT NOS IS FOREVer

HERE'S DA PROBLEM

[ULTRA Random ViruS]

just a few months ago there were regularly 100+ players on 1.1, now when i check there's never more than like 40..

WHAAAA? A few months ago? A few months ago, tremulous gpp was dead quiet [no players online at all] at 3 pm my timezone.

[Nux]

credibility.  the ability to credit something.  similar in meaning to credulousness.  american english is slightly different than the king's.  we use a lot of improper words like irrigardless and ain't.

I'm afraid not. You might think so based solely on the construction of the word but if that were anything to go by then 'homophobia' would be a fear of 'sameness'. The fact is that something is only called 'credible' if it is convincing, with it's 'credibility' being exactly how convincing it is, whereas by your definition a bank account is credible and so are people who did something worthy of mention. If someone is described as 'credulous', however, this means that they are easily convinced and their 'credulity' would be exactly how easily they are convinced.

'Irregardless' is indeed an idiotic Americanism but 'ain't' is actually one of ours (even Charles Dickens used it).

[CreatureofHell]

credibility.  the ability to credit something.  similar in meaning to credulousness.  american english is slightly different than the king's.  we use a lot of improper words like irrigardless and ain't.

You just stretched your credibility so far I don't believe a word you say.

TREM MAY DIE BUT NOS IS FOREVer

QFT 

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

just a few months ago there were regularly 100+ players on 1.1, now when i check there's never more than like 40..

WHAAAA? A few months ago? A few months ago, tremulous gpp was dead quiet [no players online at all] at 3 pm my timezone.

which is ~2am for americans  and ~7am for europeans.

You just stretched your credibility so far I don't believe a word you say.

I'm afraid not. You might think so based solely on the construction of the word but if that were anything to go by then 'homophobia' would be a fear of 'sameness'. The fact is that something is only called 'credible' if it is convincing, with it's 'credibility' being exactly how convincing it is, whereas by your definition a bank account is credible and so are people who did something worthy of mention. If someone is described as 'credulous', however, this means that they are easily convinced and their 'credulity' would be exactly how easily they are convinced.

'Irregardless' is indeed an idiotic Americanism but 'ain't' is actually one of ours (even Charles Dickens used it).

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/credibility
see definition #2.


was there anything else?

[Nux]

I will concede that more people seem to use the word in that fashion than I thought. I will not concede that this usage:

A. is known by the majority of the English speaking world
B. doesn't create ambiguity
C. is necessary

It's funny how, when searching for comparisons of the word on the net, I came across this page where the author seems to in one sentence acknowledge the meaning of the phrase "it strains credulity" and in the next sentence completely miss the point they just made.

Something that strains credulity would be beyond the powers of even a very gullible person to believe.

That's perfectly understandable. To put it another way, the person is generally easy to convince of things and yet this thing is so unbelievable that even they don't think it's true. The statement works by using the exceptional circumstance (that they didn't believe it when they usually do) to highlight the fact that the subject is extremely hard to believe.

This form of the saying isn't very effective because a credulous person isn't straining to believe things anyway.

If the person usually struggled to believe things then the statement would fail to make it's point. -_-

It's this sort of failure in critical thinking that corrupts language. It happened to 'I couldn't care less' and 'It beggars belief' and it seems to be happening here. I imagine the only reason 'credibility' is appearing in this particular phrase in this way is because 'credulous' has fallen somewhat out of popular usage and those who haven't heard the word before have corrupted the phrase using words they have heard in ignorance to their individual meaning. What seems happen in cases like these is the phrases become words in their own right, like how 'goodbye' came from 'god be with you'. As a point of interest, notice how after the constituent words lose their meaning the whole phrase can change meaning (Do you wish god to be with people when you say it, or has it just become a thing you say when parting?).

I find it interesting how people corrupt language but I don't think it's pretty. Poor critical thinking annoys me and poor use of language is a symptom of it.

EDIT: I'll also note how I'm enjoying this topic a whole lot more than the one about whether the game is dead or not. I'm pretty sure we've had that discussion more than a few times already and I still fail to see how something can be dead when there's still life in it.

[Undeference]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/credibility
see definition #2.

That definition did not exist in Webster's in 1913 or in 1928. And it seriously references a publication owned by a sister of Fox? How about some others?
(AH includes a definition with an example almost identical to the new Mirriam-Webster entry.)
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/credibility, http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/credibility (I'd link to the definition on the main OED site, but that requires logging in)
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/credibility
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/credibility
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/credibility
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/credibility
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/credibility
http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/credibility
http://www.freedictionary.org/?Query=credibility
http://www.smartdefine.org/credibility
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=credibility

And just for fun, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credibility

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/credibility
see definition #2.

That definition did not exist in Webster's in 1913 or in 1928. And it seriously references a publication owned by a sister of Fox? How about some others?
(AH includes a definition with an example almost identical to the new Mirriam-Webster entry.)
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/credibility, http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/credibility (I'd link to the definition on the main OED site, but that requires logging in)
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/credibility
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/credibility
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/credibility
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/credibility
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/credibility
http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/credibility
http://www.freedictionary.org/?Query=credibility
http://www.smartdefine.org/credibility
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=credibility

And just for fun, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credibility

note that the majority of the sites you linked are specifically for british english definitions, or from british organizations.  also of note, those that are not do not contradict my definition. 

*snip*

feel free to not concede anything.  im funny about some aspects of language, such as my refusal to use the words "teen" or "teenager" - the proper word is "adolescent".

but you raise a point.  language is dynamic.  phrases from 50 years ago have all but disappeared, and new phrases have jumped up.  "cool" describes temperature, not how it is used in any of the hundreds of contexts you see in common usage.  "owned" indicates past possession.  "bad" means "not good", not "good".


but, i have the ironclad, dev/HC defense.  "credibility" means what i say it does in the context i use it in, for the purposes of this discussion.

[Nux]

I don't have any major issue understanding what you meant in this case, so you may carry on using the word in that way without confusion. I originally pointed it out to inform you of what I still see as the correct (or at very least more appropriate) term and the way you proceed from that is your business.

Thanks Undeference for making the effort to find those sources. I'm quite sure that the definition I'm used to is the more well established one and your links help to strengthen that belief.

[Undeference]

note that the majority of the sites you linked are specifically for british english definitions, or from british organizations.

Zomg, those damn Brits, always trying to trick you into thinking you don't really know english, all the while yucking it up behind your back! (Also you are wrong since a majority of the distinct sites (i.e., not counting the OED or Webster's links as separate) are American.)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/credibility
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/credibility http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/credibility
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/credibility http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/american-english/credible?q=credibility
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/credibility*

Clear proof of a conspiracy by the British to make it hard to understand Americans! (* I await your complaints.)

also of note, those that are not do not contradict my definition.

They do not contradict your definition, nor do they support your definition. Lack of support of your definition from the same dictionary you cite is pretty damning though. In other words, it is a fairly recent usage that is strictly speaking incorrect, but some dictionaries have included it because at least some high enough profile publications erroneously use it. Other dictionaries do not consider the incorrect usage notable enough to include it.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

as i said, i have the ironclad dev/HC defense.  any word can mean any thing i say it does in the current discussion, because i say so.

in addition, oxford and collins are british publishers.  would you expect american publishers to be authorities on british english?  the same word can often carry different meanings across the pond.  for example "slag".

What is (TM) I've seen it used in a couple of different posts now, I don't think it refers to "trademark"

generally, when a word is trademarked (^TMed), the word becomes subject to a company's proprietary definitions and uses, whether or not the definitions conform to the etimology or pre-existing definitions of the word. (TM) is a derivation of ^TM: (TM) means that the word-to-which-(TM)-is-applied has a definition that the speaker (often) doesn't explicitly describe, a definition that may not even be exact, but is such that it is applicable for the case the speaker uses the word for. (TM) is often applied to words that have subjective meanings, such as good, long, or soon (eg., "S00N(TM), automated systems will replace amateur programmers, but no system will ever replace highly trained programmers."; here, the speaker may not even have an exact time frame (such as: within 50 years) in mind for the meaning of "soon"), to refute any arguments related to the subjectivity of the words. similarly, (TM) is also often applied to words that would be WRONG (where/how they're used) in a strict sense (eg. "there is an OFFICIAL(TM) Tremulous server.").

in short, any word dev/HC applies the (TM) to can mean anything he wants it to.

[/dev/humancontroller]

"credibility" means what i say it does in the context i use it in, for the purposes of this discussion.

if you initiate or join a (sub-)conversation by using the word credibility in a non-standard¹ way, then you're WRONG. possible fixes are:

• apply the almighty (TM) suffix to the said word.
• state your definition clearly and prior to your first use of the said word, ie.,

credibility means ...

¹ standard is not to be mixed up with de facto standard

[Pazuzu]

Oh my god this is hilarious. By which I mean sad.

[Qrntz]

[hwd]

Kudos to Nux for being smart.

[janev]

Strains credulity sounds correct to my ear.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

"credibility" means what i say it does in the context i use it in, for the purposes of this discussion.

if you initiate or join a (sub-)conversation by using the word credibility in a non-standard¹ way, then you're WRONG. possible fixes are:

• apply the almighty (TM) suffix to the said word.
• state your definition clearly and prior to your first use of the said word, ie.,

credibility means ...

¹ standard is not to be mixed up with de facto standard

damn, i knew i was forgetting something.  the TM!

but seriously, i used a nonstandard, but common phrase.  you'd have thought i crashed a server with the response i evoked.

[your face]

HERE'S DA PROBLEM

more like the symptom of gpp being terrible

[Loki]

I think so, no updates in 2 years, damn. this game was good, I wish it was still alive. it looks like Natural selection 2 is going to kill any chance this game had left. I wonder if the devs even remember this game.

No.

No.

[vcxzet]

developer's answer: go checkout the svn, over 9000 lines of new code
die hard trem fan's answer: [muttering] ... [crying] STFU, It is not dead. [goes back to his desk and looks at his granger photo for relaxation]
player's answer: I played it last night. Painsawed the OM like a boss.
casual gamer's answer: I used to play trem. It was cool but it is dead now
hardcore gamer's answer: Trem? that half assed NS clone? pffft, I am playing NS2 on my new rig.
simple answer: It is dead.
my bosses answer: WTF why the f*** should I f***ing care.

[/dev/humancontroller]

/dev/humancontroller's answer: S00N(TM), Operation: Whiteout will storm the shit out of everyone.

[Bulbous]

Hey, I played this a while back, and I'm wondering if this is dead. Is it?

It's dead, and walking around stinking up the place. It needs a bullet in the brain.