On Alien crosshairs and other 'hacks'...

[Teiman]

Free aimbot:

I have steal a 5 years old boy, that sit on my legs. I have teached him to press the attack key if he see the enemy on the center of screen. If the enemy killme, I kick his head with a big club to teache him more. If the guy die I steal another one. : I

[PHREAK]

It is not the matter between hummies / aliens it is of "readyly available".

I dont get it, so if I post a radar hack in form of easily installable mod you will be ok with it?

Never argue about a dumb thing with a moron. He's a lot more experienced than you ever will be.

[Paradox]

Chompers, there is no lagometer, and that makes me sad.

[stahlsau]

@Paradox: cg_lagometer "1"

[NoSpin]

This I understand as using something, an external hack (e.g. preloaded lib) or a selfmade client that gives the user a software advantage that the other/normal players are unable to obtain.

Do you actually believe this crap? Cross hairs is not software. It is not a hack. It doesn't move your character or fire his weapons. It is a dot on the screen. Do you really disaprove of drawing pictures onto the screen before playing? If you can do it with a marker (referring only to 1st person shooters) it is in no way cheating? Just because it gives you an advantage does not make it wrong. Human binds give a strong advantage against noobs as does evo binds. a custom config can be a huge advantage but that is not cheating. Would you like to guesss how many times i have been killed with my evo window up, I would of survive 90% of those times i was killed if i had a quick button to evolve with.

On a side note.
We don't have to convict someone of being a cheater...
Remember that the Owners/Admins have to consider the whole gameplay/fun on the servers. So if someone shows skill above the average player and rages/owns a server, that player should be asked to leave. No one likes to get owned over and over again.
The same is also valid, to a lesser degree, for noobs. If they don't learn fast and make to many mistakes they also should be asked to leave.
Both, Pro and Noob, should play on servers where their skill is either matched or slightly lower than the average player there.

Are you high? Some people do like to get owned. I do. I want someone to really show me my mistakes so i can improve. Kicking noobs because they aren't any good, ok hitler. I hate to break it to you, it isn't about winning it is about having fun. We do not need to kick people to even the teams that is ridicuolous.

[temple]

I play with Alien crosshairs and it gives no advantage.  In fact, I won't care if it was removed.  I like it because it gives a sense of orientation and focus.  But it hasn't helped with anything really.  It just feels more comfortable with crosshairs than without.  I guarentee that if alien crosshairs were added by default, you wouldn't see an improvement across servers.  Its just more natural to have them up.

Getting a headshot its harder than point and click for aliens.  I can't see why anyone would object at all.

[benplaut]

Getting a headshot its harder than point and click for aliens

no, it's exactly point and click!
just make sure you're headed at the right velocity with the right positioning and...  :roll:

[Caveman]

Sheesh how dumb must you be NoSpin?
If you have a tool-box and you need to hang up a picture, you surely can take out the wrench and hit the nail...
It will work, but only a moron would not use the hammer.

Now compare Trmulous with the tool-box.
Where does that lead us?
Back to said moron, that uses the pop-up instead of binds.
And guess what? That same tool-box is provided to everyone.
And it's not just the people with the higher IQ that would use the hammer.

As for the hitler-part (I don't even know what this insult is about, you might want to explain that.)

Wake up, YOU don't own most of the server you play on.
The guys with the money to set up a server do.
There is no democracy involved. If an admin don't like you, be it because of you haircolor or whatever, he has the right to kick/ban you.
And you know what? There is absolutely nothing you can do about.
You can not force someone to give you something you did not pay for.

[NoSpin]

Sheesh how dumb must you be NoSpin?
If you have a tool-box and you need to hang up a picture, you surely can take out the wrench and hit the nail...
It will work, but only a moron would not use the hammer.

Now compare Trmulous with the tool-box.
Where does that lead us?
Back to said moron, that uses the pop-up instead of binds.
And guess what? That same tool-box is provided to everyone.
And it's not just the people with the higher IQ that would use the hammer.

As for the hitler-part (I don't even know what this insult is about, you might want to explain that.)

Wake up, YOU don't own most of the server you play on.
The guys with the money to set up a server do.
There is no democracy involved. If an admin don't like you, be it because of you haircolor or whatever, he has the right to kick/ban you.
And you know what? There is absolutely nothing you can do about.
You can not force someone to give you something you did not pay for.

I appologize I do not speak your language. All I hear is incoherent rambling. Please explain your point clearly so that I can understand what you are talking about.

I never claimed to own the server.

Not allowing people to play because they are too good or too bad sounds like fasism to me (although Hitler was a Nazi they both seem to express the point the same)

I never complained about people getting kicked based on ability I am just expressing my opinion about it and you.

I am completly lost on the whole hammer and wrench analogy.

What exactly did I not pay for?

[Lava Croft]

All of you fuckers are rambling, adding Alien crosshairs is cheating, no matter what that cheating fucker Chompers says. Or the fucker Caveman. Or who-fucking-ever. Alien crosshairs will be considered legal the moment they make it into an official Tremulous release.

[temple]

All of you fuckers are rambling, adding Alien crosshairs is cheating, no matter what that cheating fucker Chompers says. Or the fucker Caveman. Or who-fucking-ever. Alien crosshairs will be considered legal the moment they make it into an official Tremulous release.

A cheat has to give someone an advantage.  I think what I've said and few others, is that Alien crosshairs is barely an advantage and cannot be compared to other cheats.  Its just a convenience.

[Ksempac]

And again, the same false argument in favor of Alien crosshair : "it gives no advantage so its ok to use it"

If it really gives no advantage, then its useless to use it...So we can remove it and it wont matter to you.

I know you cant find any valid argument to defend the use of a crosshair, but we re not stupid SO STOP DEFENDING THE ALIEN CROSSHAIR WITH THE LOOSY "NO ADVANTAGE ARGUMENT"  :evil:

[PwNz!]

Ok..today im gonna add a dot in the middle of my screen

(people say) ZOMGWTFBBQ UR A HAXXOR FOR HAVING  A DOT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR SCREEN

:x -.-  :x

the only thing i say to you is....ITS A DOT

[Seffylight]

BUT IF THE DOT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GET RID OF IT?!?!/1/1 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


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[DASPRiD]

/r_gamma > 1.0 is also cheating in my mind, remove it, PLZ. Every mapper would love this decision :>

[Juno]

rofl


dont you just love internet arguments

[temple]

And again, the same false argument in favor of Alien crosshair : "it gives no advantage so its ok to use it"

If it really gives no advantage, then its useless to use it...So we can remove it and it wont matter to you.

I know you cant find any valid argument to defend the use of a crosshair, but we re not stupid SO STOP DEFENDING THE ALIEN CROSSHAIR WITH THE LOOSY "NO ADVANTAGE ARGUMENT"  :evil:

Do bindings give an advantage?

[Aninhumer]

To be honest, I think binds give a lot more advantage than a crosshair.

Besides I say neither crosshairs or binds actually do anything for you, they merely help you to do what you intend to do.

Aimbot does the work for you, and hence, is a cheat.

[temple]

The only reason I would admit that I use crosshairs is because its so not an advantage.  I wish it did something better.  In fact, I can think of some ways to improve it.  But all in all, its minor.

[NoSpin]

To be honest, I think binds give a lot more advantage than a crosshair.

Besides I say neither crosshairs or binds actually do anything for you, they merely help you to do what you intend to do.

Aimbot does the work for you, and hence, is a cheat.

doesn't aimbot just do what you intended to do? Aim at the guy's head in front of you?

Really though. There is a config file, we are allowed to modify it to customize our play. Adding crosshairs is simply writing text into that config file.

We are not accessing the server and uploading or downloading any information that we normally wouldn't download/upload through ussually game play.

We are not opening up Trem in a Hex editor and changing code.

We are customizing our config file.

Yes it does give us an advantage.

It is a fraction of the advantage given by hotkeys.

Why are you really mad about us doing it?
Do you really think it is a huge advantage?
Or are you offended anyone might do something that Trem did not explicitly state that you can do?

I wonder how many of you played Tribes where not only could you add crosshairs but you could add a rear view mirror along with any other concievable hud and be encouraged to do so by the game designers and server admins? Not to mention you were the ones writing the code for these HUDs or downloading them from another player.

[NoSpin]

All of you fuckers are rambling, adding Alien crosshairs is cheating, no matter what that cheating fucker Chompers says. Or the fucker Caveman. Or who-fucking-ever. Alien crosshairs will be considered legal the moment they make it into an official Tremulous release.

My config file prior to the cross hairs was not in the official Trem release. Does that mean that using said config file is cheating? BTW Caveman agrees with you.

[Caveman]

NoSpin, you do not understand English, as you admitted here.
So you don't understand us.

Just leave me out and check the meaning of "readily available" then come back, or try to learn the meaning of the words posted here, maybe, just maybe you'd be able to actually contribute to this thread instead of just trolling around.

[Lava Croft]

Dear Retards, configuration files serve a different purpose than art assets. I will leave it at that, since I have the feeling that any more words aimed at you will just fly by your thick heads.

[Juno]

whats the god dam fuss about!!!!!111111



i could draw a dot or a cross on my screen in marker pen



or




i could not ruin my screen and i could have crosshairs



whats the difference!!!!!!!!!, and even if you ban people/get rid of cross hairs, people can put a grain of rock salt with tape on the centre



Zomg u killed me cHEaTorzzzZ .111!!!! hes using salt!!!!!!bna teh hackOR!
















anway, i didnt ask for crosshairs, but for some reason when i enter different servers, they appear, wtf?

[benplaut]

what would be cheat is having a vertical line up the screen to aid in granger spit and sniping

[[EVIL]Unknown]

r_gamma > 1.0 is also cheating in my mind, remove it, PLZ. Every mapper would love this decision :>

r_gamma is just another way to set ur brightness.. u know its how u type it out instead of moving the bar thingy.. it came with the game its part of the game so nothing is wrong with it.. i can set it to 20 if i want so nah!!! i actually have it on 2..

alien crosshairs didnt come with release is not part of game hence its bad imo...

but then again i dont give a f'n crap as long as my trem works and i can still pwn all u cheaters and non cheaters all is well...


sooo.... hows the weather?? hows life??

[Paradox]

/r_gamma > 1.0 is also cheating in my mind, remove it, PLZ. Every mapper would love this decision :>

AND LETS GET RID OF THE SOUND ADJUSTMENT SETTINGS! AND THE MOUSE ADJUSTMENT SETTINGS!

Face it, you may remove it, but the person will then just open the graphics card control panel, and add an app configuration that does it automatically.

[Stof]

alien crosshairs didnt come with release is not part of game hence its bad imo...

I do like that computer someone asked me to fix. You see, there was that uncanny bug ( I never managed to fix btw ) : when playing unreal tournament, the mouse cursor wouldn't disapear ! The game was in full screen but there would still be the white windows mouse cursor right in the middle of the screen.

If that happened with trem, would this be considered cheating?

[Paradox]

What about if you have a crosshair screen-burned into your monitor?

[Juno]

What about if you have a crosshair screen-burned into your monitor?

some people would say your a dirty HaxxXor!111



i would say your a fool for doing it lawl