What about 3D engine ?

[MitSugna]

q2w? eww

[Thorn]

q2w? eww

wtf?

bitter because you probably got raped the first time you tried to play it? :olo:

[TRaK]

q2w? eww

If you think q2w needs improving in some regard, please enlighten us
Although I suspect you're just acting like a douche by insulting the work others provide for free for your enjoyment.

[MitSugna]

If something is provided for free, I shouldn't say something bad about it. It is free, I paid nothing, and I shouldn't have said something bad. Sorry fanboys I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

[Thorn]

Well, he did ask for you to explain any basis behind your opinion. However as you seem to have no issues with the game, you're just being a moron. Although everybody knew this when you registered, thanks for re-clarifying. You (In another thread) insult a person directly(previous member of this forum too) by blatently calling them an asshole. Now, here in this thread you also directly disrepect an entire project and by so all the people that worked on it (Such as TRaK, right above).

What makes you think you are any less of an asshole than the person you considered an asshole? Is it by the same baseless reasoning that you insulted q2w? ;>

[MitSugna]

slow down... I just said "eww" and you wrote full paragraph. I just don't like q2w and that is just my personal opinion.
Also know the difference between ass and asshole.(I hope you do )

[Winnie the Pooh]

Explain why, or be willing to take crap from people who tire of miscommunication.

[Demolution]

Also know the difference between ass and asshole.(I hope you do )

Same blatant insult really..

[Einstein]

in the deep voice of our beloved tiM anguS:
You Got Trolled™

[Plague Bringer]

Also know the difference between ass and asshole.(I hope you do )

Same blatant insult really..

To be a nitpick, last I checked, an ass is a fool, and an asshole is a jerk.

[Demolution]

Both insults originate from the same area, so are they not at least in the same insult "family"?

[Thorn]

Also know the difference between ass and asshole.(I hope you do )

Same blatant insult really..

To be a nitpick, last I checked, an ass is a fool, and an asshole is a jerk.

Last I checked an ass was a donkey unless you consider all donkey's fools in which case you are even worse than him, as you don't insult a person, nor a project, but an entire race!!

jesus Fucking christ

[Drag222]

Xrealmulous !
Or
TremulXreal !

[Haraldx]

Hey guys, I have an idea - lets add Nvidia PhysX somehow on trem so we can make realistic smoke for human building and fluid effect acid tube  , then we could make ragdolls and building that can be destroyed in style. Then we could make human ragdolls that can be teared in pieces with the cloth system in PhysX! Then we could make tremulous something like, that only NASAs computers will be able to run.

[UniqPhoeniX]

Trem will probably (and hopefully) never contain any proprietary code. There are open source physics engines like bullet tho.

[SlackerLinux]

Trem will probably (and hopefully) never contain any proprietary code. There are open source physics engines like bullet tho.

on tremfusions TODO list

[Winnie the Pooh]

Independent designers, get to work!

[Lava_Croft]

Quake2World engine is a fucking joke.

[Haraldx]

Hey guys, I have an idea - lets add Nvidia PhysX somehow on trem so we can make realistic smoke for human building and fluid effect acid tube  , then we could make ragdolls and building that can be destroyed in style. Then we could make human ragdolls that can be teared in pieces with the cloth system in PhysX! Then we could make tremulous something like, that only NASAs computers will be able to run.

*Sarcasm*

[Thorn]

Quake2World engine is a fucking joke.

It could be worse. It could be DarkPlaces. Ohi

[frazzler]

I think that after 9 pages of discussing the meaning of ass, this thread is finally dead.

[Haraldx]

Good, because now everyone will know that making a new engine for tremulous is fucking useless!!! Even more useless is making such topics!!! Eat shit and die!

[Bowzer]

Quake2World engine is a fucking joke.

If that's the case then IOQ3 is an even bigger one.  Seriously, Q2W is a sweet engine that looks and runs a hell of alot better than IOQ3. 

[MitSugna]

Quake2World engine is a fucking joke.

If that's the case then IOQ3 is an even bigger one.  Seriously, Q2W is a sweet engine that looks and runs a hell of alot better than IOQ3. 

cool story bro
But you should really stop taking those drugs.

[gimhael]

Good, because now everyone will know that making a new engine for tremulous is fucking useless!!! Even more useless is making such topics!!! Eat shit and die!

Well, I wouldn't call it useless, there are a few points for an updated renderer:

- the current renderer uses many OpenGL function which are officially deprecated since OpenGL 3.1. While they are currently still supported by all drivers, there is no guarantee that the vendors will support them indefinitely.
- the current renderer doesn't utilize the power of modern GPUs. It uses only the fixed pipeline without programmable shaders and uses mainly the ROPs to implement the shaders. It wasn't unusual for a year 2000 GPU to have 4 fragment shaders and 4 ROPs. Todays top DirectX 10/11 cards have 16-32 ROPs, but they have several hundreds of Fragment shaders. As the renderer assumes more or less a 1:1 relation between Shaders and ROPs, most of the power of the GPU is wasted.
- GPUs are very parallel, but they can essentially process only one program on all shaders at a time. So to get good speed you have to render a large number of vertexes with the same shader. Unfortunately the current engine renders the scene with hundreds of different shaders which are responsible for only a few surfaces.

But changing these points will require to remake all models, maps etc. so probably it's simply out of scope for the Trem community.

[Haraldx]

Good, because now everyone will know that making a new engine for tremulous is fucking useless!!! Even more useless is making such topics!!! Eat shit and die!

Well, I wouldn't call it useless, there are a few points for an updated renderer:

- the current renderer uses many OpenGL function which are officially deprecated since OpenGL 3.1. While they are currently still supported by all drivers, there is no guarantee that the vendors will support them indefinitely.
- the current renderer doesn't utilize the power of modern GPUs. It uses only the fixed pipeline without programmable shaders and uses mainly the ROPs to implement the shaders. It wasn't unusual for a year 2000 GPU to have 4 fragment shaders and 4 ROPs. Todays top DirectX 10/11 cards have 16-32 ROPs, but they have several hundreds of Fragment shaders. As the renderer assumes more or less a 1:1 relation between Shaders and ROPs, most of the power of the GPU is wasted.
- GPUs are very parallel, but they can essentially process only one program on all shaders at a time. So to get good speed you have to render a large number of vertexes with the same shader. Unfortunately the current engine renders the scene with hundreds of different shaders which are responsible for only a few surfaces.

But changing these points will require to remake all models, maps etc. so probably it's simply out of scope for the Trem community.

1st - I don't understand almost fifth word in your text you wrote
2nd - old engine = can be run on old computers and these engines can be updated slightly
3rd - new engine = can only be run by hig-end computers ending in less players

[Bowzer]

Quake2World engine is a fucking joke.

If that's the case then IOQ3 is an even bigger one.  Seriously, Q2W is a sweet engine that looks and runs a hell of alot better than IOQ3.  

cool story bro
But you should really stop taking those drugs.

You're crazy if you think IOQ3 renders better than Q2W.  It's at least 5x faster, and makes use of per-pixel lighting effects, IOQ3 still has 1999 era lighting fx.  Not that Q2W is an option, I'm just saying.

But, here you have Xreal, which would make PERFECT sense to switch to.  I guess if everyone is happy with ancient gfx, then by all means, stick with IOq3.  Or, why not add some per-pixel stuff to IOQ3?  It can't be THAT hard to do.  It would really improve things alot.

[KillerWhale]

1st - I don't understand almost fifth word in your text you wrote

That's your problem.
If you don't understand what he said, then you shouldn't be arguing in this topic.

Anyways, I think it would be nice to have the capabilities to update graphics, but I know it's unlikely.

A major argument against the update that I have seen is: "Oh, but what about low end computers?"
It's not like ioq3 runs particularly well on low end machines. Even some modern engines perform better.
I installed Trem on a Pentium 4, onboard Intel running Linux.
Tremulous wasn't even playable.

Now, I know this is purely an argument in futility, but I would still like to see some improvements that could possibly give draw to some better mappers/modelers/etc.
A good looking game can get a lot of players no matter what.

[kevlarman]

1st - I don't understand almost fifth word in your text you wrote

A major argument against the update that I have seen is: "Oh, but what about low end computers?"
It's not like ioq3 runs particularly well on low end machines. Even some modern engines perform better.
I installed Trem on a Pentium 4, onboard Intel running Linux.
Tremulous wasn't even playable.

intel hardware and drivers are trash. and as amanieu will tell you, making the engine use vertex buffers will actually hurt your fps on intel.

[MitSugna]

1st - I don't understand almost fifth word in your text you wrote

A major argument against the update that I have seen is: "Oh, but what about low end computers?"
It's not like ioq3 runs particularly well on low end machines. Even some modern engines perform better.
I installed Trem on a Pentium 4, onboard Intel running Linux.
Tremulous wasn't even playable.

intel hardware and drivers are trash. and as amanieu will tell you, making the engine use vertex buffers will actually hurt your fps on intel.

They don't run your software X so they must be trash, even if they run software Y. Software Y developers are known hackers anyway