Why Trem will die.

[vcxzet]

it died already

When was the last time you played tremulous?

When it was still alive. I am not a necrophiliac.

[CreatureofHell]

it died already

When was the last time you played tremulous?

When it was still alive. I am not a necrophiliac.

That was awesome. 

[Meisseli]

The ones doing nothing related to Tremulous other than spamming "this game is dead" in every second thread must have quite a terrible life

[Mustard]

The bigger question is, WHY ARE GAMES NO LONGER FOR FUN. I haven't found one person on trem, or league of legends, or whateverthefuck, that is not tryharding to the most extent. When did we break the threshold of being addicted to video games? Game:An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime. What the fuck is wrong with the world?

[Garion]

The bigger question is, WHY ARE GAMES NO LONGER FOR FUN. I haven't found one person on trem, or league of legends, or whateverthefuck, that is not tryharding to the most extent. When did we break the threshold of being addicted to video games? Game:An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime. What the fuck is wrong with the world?

'dem stupid reptilians!

[bleach]

Oomg dont say that, why would you demotivate the developers?
Better say that we're still there supporting them and wating for put the hands on their work : D

lol

[zoomer]

Getting killed 10000 times and not killing others is no fun it feels like everyone is cheating aimbot is mostly what killed trem

Game updates seem mostly boring human vs alien equality tweaks seem endless

how about

New aliens, New structures, New weapons, usable items Turrets,

instead of shotgun is 0.01% to powerfull

[Tremulant]

Getting killed 10000 times and not killing others is no fun it feels like everyone is cheating aimbot is mostly what killed trem

Where are you seeing this, 1.1, gpp, gpp official?

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Getting killed 10000 times and not killing others is no fun it feels like everyone is cheating aimbot is mostly what killed trem

Where are you seeing this, 1.1, gpp, gpp official?

i see it in gpp, myself.  i dont bitch about it often, but it is vastly frustrating.  past few days there have been 1-3 players on the server better than the rest of us by far.  whichever team more of these players was on was guaranteed a win.  one player should not make such a big impact in a team game.

[Tremulant]

Getting killed 10000 times and not killing others is no fun it feels like everyone is cheating aimbot is mostly what killed trem

Where are you seeing this, 1.1, gpp, gpp official?

i see it in gpp, myself.  i dont bitch about it often, but it is vastly frustrating.  past few days there have been 1-3 players on the server better than the rest of us by far.  whichever team more of these players was on was guaranteed a win.  one player should not make such a big impact in a team game.

If you have a handful of mediocre players who know how to play the game and can work as a team, then the single player with particularly good aim isn't going to be all that effective at skewing things, the trouble is that most of these frustrated players don't even understand the basics, have trouble using a mouse, and view anyone who's capable of using the massdriver effectively as an aimbotter, it gets worse when these players start stacking a team, for instance humans, because their play style is more immediately fathomable to the beginner, the aliens will inevitably tear them apart in a few short minutes.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Getting killed 10000 times and not killing others is no fun it feels like everyone is cheating aimbot is mostly what killed trem

Where are you seeing this, 1.1, gpp, gpp official?

i see it in gpp, myself.  i dont bitch about it often, but it is vastly frustrating.  past few days there have been 1-3 players on the server better than the rest of us by far.  whichever team more of these players was on was guaranteed a win.  one player should not make such a big impact in a team game.

If you have a handful of mediocre players who know how to play the game and can work as a team, then the single player with particularly good aim isn't going to be all that effective at skewing things, the trouble is that most of these frustrated players don't even understand the basics, have trouble using a mouse, and view anyone who's capable of using the massdriver effectively as an aimbotter, it gets worse when these players start stacking a team, for instance humans, because their play style is more immediately fathomable to the beginner, the aliens will inevitably tear them apart in a few short minutes.

it's also insanely frustrating to deal with a player that if he sees you, you die.  this is due to the very nature of the teams; humans have range, aliens must come into physical contact with the humans.  it takes evos you are not likely to get to even get close enough to score a hit, as dretches just do not have the HP to get near someone using a MD or shotgun.

ad to that the fact that the way humans fight is typically running backwards back to turret range, and even players of mediocre aim become near invincible.  almost all of the games i have played recently have featured the humans camping to s2.  then usually the one good player on the humans would constantly assault.  the game would usually end with one player with a score of 400+, and the entire rest of the server below 100.  games of a size of at least 6v6.

this is, as ive said before, not fun at all.  this drives new players away.  hell, i play less because of it, and i'm not really new.  i like to have at least the illusion of a chance.

i can think of a myriad of small tweaks to rectify these issues, but bringing any of them up will draw a wave of protest from those who spend the whole game with a sg or md standing on top of a turret.

seriously, is the objective of the human team to find the cheesiest way to play?

[Celestial_Rage]

Coming from you, I'm really not surprised you haven't thought to move in patterns that are difficult to hit. After all, moving in a straight line is the best!

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

Coming from you, I'm really not surprised you haven't thought to move in patterns that are difficult to hit. After all, moving in a straight line is the best!

for acceleration, yes, it is.  i find it necessary to strafejump to close the gap presented by dodging, sprinting, humans.

my choices of movement do not impact the validity of my statements at all.  this is the shit that drives new players away.

i would have revived the 1hko thread rather than trying to call me out here.  in that thread we could discuss these mechanics in detail and stay on topic.  the topic of this thread is addressing the problems of what drives new and old players away from the game.

i'm interested, do you dispute that the points that i have raised impact new players deciding to quit?

[Tremulant]

Experienced players play better than inexperienced players? well, i'm flabbergasted!
People losing interest in the game is what has killed trem, it's that simple, it has nothing to do with supposed aimbotting(UrT's still alive and well and it has orders of magnitude more cheats than trem ever has, and hardly any active server admins) or a skill gap between experienced players and newbies, trem has always had a steep learning curve, but when most of us started playing there were hundreds of fellow newbies to balance things out, the handful of new players venturing into trem thesedays trickle in too slowly to maintain an enthusiastic newbie population.
We need 1.2, or tremz, or something of the sort, to grab the attention of large volumes of new players all at once, in the meantime more experienced players making like miserable for each other by spamming things that they feel are op wouldn't be a bad idea, otherwise we'll be stuck with every other player pouncespamming, for instance, when 1.2's final.

[baybal]

play with /cl_noprint 1 = no drama

some times it helps a lot

[ULTRA Random ViruS]

play with /cl_noprint 1 = no drama

some times it helps a lot

Wow, i've been searching for a command like that. That's -1 topic off the board! (not even open anyway)

[jm82792]

Experienced players play better than inexperienced players? well, i'm flabbergasted!
People losing interest in the game is what has killed trem, it's that simple, it has nothing to do with supposed aimbotting(UrT's still alive and well and it has orders of magnitude more cheats than trem ever has, and hardly any active server admins) or a skill gap between experienced players and newbies, trem has always had a steep learning curve, but when most of us started playing there were hundreds of fellow newbies to balance things out, the handful of new players venturing into trem thesedays trickle in too slowly to maintain an enthusiastic newbie population.
We need 1.2, or tremz, or something of the sort, to grab the attention of large volumes of new players all at once, in the meantime more experienced players making like miserable for each other by spamming things that they feel are op wouldn't be a bad idea, otherwise we'll be stuck with every other player pouncespamming, for instance, when 1.2's final.

I am working with tremz, spending the time I can spare to delay the eventual demise of Tremulous.

[zoomer]

Cheating is the problem for me which is why I stopped playing maybe I'm wrong and it just seems like people are cheating because I am rubbish but when i play a LAN match with friends I can win a match 3 on 1, it is probably true sometimes that I'm just more crap then usual and maybe lag/connection speed, but its not great to feel like your one of the only one not cheating here are some examples of what i mean;

Rets seem to aim towards but not quite fire at AMAZING alien people resulting in advanced marauder grief
(warping maybe)

Constantly hit by human even when strafing unpredictably resulting in loosing evos quickly
(aimbot maybe)

Human magically find you when hide/corner resulting in spawn then die    
(wall/radar hack maybe)

[Meisseli]

Which version do you play? GPP is free of cheaters for now at least, but this isn't the case in 1.1 unfortunately.

[Garion]

If you keep that sig long enough Mysilly, I'm sure you will eventually understand it.

[Meisseli]

I'll understand that the Jews are plotting to take over the world and form a totalitarian one-world government? A-ha...

Please, seek professional help.

[Conzul]

I'll understand that the Jews are plotting to take over the world and form a totalitarian one-world government? A-ha...

Please, seek professional help.

Not Jews, Freemasons.
Get your facts straight.

[Volt]

Which version do you play? GPP is free of cheaters for now at least, but this isn't the case in 1.1 unfortunately.

GPP is no longer cheater free, just saying.

[Meisseli]

Which version do you play? GPP is free of cheaters for now at least, but this isn't the case in 1.1 unfortunately.

GPP is no longer cheater free, just saying.

As far as I know Buddha/oRaw didn't spread his doings anywhere... and I've no knowledge of cheating other than that. There at least isn't a big spread of botters like 1.1 had(/still has?), probably due to the playerbase being smaller.

[Volt]

Which version do you play? GPP is free of cheaters for now at least, but this isn't the case in 1.1 unfortunately.

GPP is no longer cheater free, just saying.

As far as I know Buddha/oRaw didn't spread his doings anywhere... and I've no knowledge of cheating other than that. There at least isn't a big spread of botters like 1.1 had(/still has?), probably due to the playerbase being smaller.

Buddhabot? that was a joke it was made so it could be patched against without trouble. But the new one floating around is a full port, there are a few bans on us1 for it.

[Garion]

I'll understand that the Jews are plotting to take over the world and form a totalitarian one-world government? A-ha...

Please, seek professional help.

I learned to distinguish serious thinkers of idiots mostly because idiots held your answer. For instance, I didn't say Jews, but Zionist. The good and serious Jews knows the current Israel isn't even respecting the theological project (for they are supposed to wait for the messiah). Anyway, I won't even bother since we're not on the right topic and you don't give a shit about this stuff, you only care about coming on top over me and appearing smart. I also suggest you stop going on wikihow to explain people psychology, especially when you're so bad at understanding serious subjects like world politics and sociology, which are essentials to understand the psychological life of people.

[WarLock]

+1 Jess

Meisseli is a dump face ... Telling that gpp have no cheat is like tell that Meisseli mother dont suck cock !!!!

[sirshiz]

+1 Jess

Meisseli is a dump face ... Telling that gpp have no cheat is like tell that Meisseli mother dont suck cock !!!!

WarLock is the Mark Twain of our time.

[Flux]

Warlock speak great truth after long absence like Henry David Thoreau

[Vape]

or like Tom Hanks