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« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2007, 03:01:29 pm »
Quote from: "SLAVE|Mietz"
One question: WHY would someone like an ADMIN do this WORK for ppl that annoy the server? WHY?
WHY if you can have the same effect by a simple set of ip-tables?


because a global karma system would get rid of many other problems too that some servers are experiencing. Once the player base will exceed a certain size, such a system will be unavoidable. But I do agree that such a system cannot be set up by a single server owner.

a requirement for local registration for all players. This is more easy to set up. This would make sure that you know every single player on your server, and helps you deal with any other kind of griever, cheater etc too, not just the grievers of one perticular country. Many advantages really, and thats the answers to the WHY.

And there are still plenty of other options....one variation of the local karma system would also be to allow all players to play, but dissalow players not locally registered to start a vote. This would also inhibit lots of the "go to next map" votes when the opposing team reaches s3.

Quote from: "lava_croft"
When I say Poland sucks, I say that because I have
been there, and I have no love for 3rd-world countries.
And i don't have gotten an answer for WHY someone like that is made admin.
I am from holland myself, and i can't help to feel sick when hearing statements like these.



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btw, lava croft is male


Sorry the name sounded a bit girlish to me. Confused me, sorry.

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« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2007, 05:32:50 pm »
the thread is getting funny :wink:

What can I say is that though I still think the solution is drastic, the server admins make the rules on the server so they have the full right to disallow writing in a language they don't understand. I saw several times when on some servers a bunch of PL players just fucked up whole game just for fun, so I know what they (i should say 'we' :wink: ) are capable of.

From the begining when I saw the thread I never was mad on the admins, even for a moment - I knew well what caused the ban (just to remind - my argument with Lava was about something else).

Anyway, maby someone will learn sometin' now

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« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2007, 05:33:07 pm »
Quote from: "SLAVE|Mietz"
#Satgnu has recently decided not to totally <BAN> Poland, we will be just redirecting those IPs to Aliens Wrath, since it is the best server in the world and we want the ppl there have a quality time.


I love you too.

@Spider
That what you are asking, has been discussed allready.
It just isn't possible as that would be the same as using NaziBuster from EvilBalance.
But that is still another topic. If you have an idea that does the same and does not depend on an authoritive master-server, we'd like to hear your idea (really) .

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« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2007, 07:07:02 pm »
" And i don't have gotten an answer for WHY someone like that is made admin. "
That is none of your business.  Not your server, not your business.  Get off your high horse.

No offense, but give it a rest.

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« Reply #94 on: January 10, 2007, 07:07:30 pm »
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But that is still another topic. If you have an idea that does the same and does not depend on an authoritive master-server, we'd like to hear your idea (really) .


Maybe i should have read all the other threads about this first. but here goes:
The game i was playing before this one was BZFlag, which is also open source and hosted on sourceforge. Some of you that know that game will be making fun of it's simplistic graphics and control of movement. But if played on the right servers, it's great fun really. Especially it's league action.

But any free game attracts all kinds of people with different intentions, and when a game gets more popular, you will have to start to have some sort of control mechanisms. Pure anarchy can kill great servers.
Now, since I never played a commercial game, I have no idea how NaziBuster and it's alternatives works. All i know from news media, is that there was a lot of controversial about them. I may be completely wrong, but from what I understood is that the main aim of NaziBuster is to prevent illegal copying of games. I hardly believe that that is something Trem wants to prevent  :D

Anyways, on BZFlag Servers there were similar problems with players, going from spamming racist and nazi messages, disrupting matches to using obvious or non-obvious cheats.

Similar to this trem forum, there is also an official BZFlag forum.
What the developers of BZFlag have implemented two years ago into the BZFlag server is a global authentication system in addition to a user group rights management. It uses the official bzflag forum database for authentication, meaning you have to use the same user-name and password for forum and game servers.

Server owners are free to use this, but are not required to use it. And when they use it, they can decide themself in what way they use it. As a consequence, different servers are running different configurations depending on their usual player base and server purpose (you have public servers and match servers).

Some example of configurations how they could work for trem servers.

1. No authorization is required
This is as it is now, players log in with any name they choose.

2. Special rights for registerd players
Anybody can play on a server. But only those that provided a valid user name and password have special rights, such as:
- the right to start a vote
- the right to talk in public chat
- non-registered players are kicked when a registerd player logs into a full server with no other open slots.
- right to build
(these are just ideas)

3. Only registerd users can play
You have to provide a valid user name and password to be able to log into a server at all.

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In a normal scenario, you would have a mixture of servers running. Having no open servers at all will make it difficult for players that have just downloaded the game and want to try it out. If they like the game and are interested, they will find this forum and a note on the first page on how to log into register-required servers. This way, more experienced players also don't have the grief of having to pwn first time newbs, but are playing on servers with other more experienced players that were interested enough to sign up.

I believe, that the forum software used for the trem forums also allows to add and remove players to certain groups. So forum admins can add and remove players to these groups. Rights on servers could also be made dependant on these groups. Example of Groups could be:

ALIENWRATH.PLAYER (default,but no public chat, only pm and team chat, and no build)
ALIENWRATH.DISSALOW (not allowed to join)
ALIENWRATH.TALK_AND_BUILD (in addition can talk and build)
ALIENWRATH.TEAMVOTE
ALIENWRATH.PUBLICVOTE

For match servers you could even set up spawn rights, so that you can make clan matches public viewable for spectators without the threat of non-clan members entering the game and messing it up.

In addition, or as an alternative, is to have the list of servers that you get in the server list dependant on your register and login status. This way you can hide the servers for certain users. You probably can still log in when you know the IP number, but that system would not be as restrictive as the above solution.

The game server itself will not be allowed to see the passwords in clear text. Abuseminded serverowners could have patched the server for it to write the usernames and passwords into a local file. Instead the password is encrypted first, or the authorization process is done directly between client and forum.
The whole forum authentication needs a dedicated forum team to keep things operational and smooth. It actually all depends on how this is maintained. Granted, it does seem to be quite a job, but trusted serverowners and admins could help in the process. Many other things may evenutally also be automated.

But, if someone gets banned from global login, it is ofcourse not very difficult to create a new login (hotmail, yahoo). But it is a much greater hassle already for evil minded server hoppers.

One solution to make it even more difficult is:
- to forbid certain email domain names like yahoo or hotmail, but still add them on special request
- track IP of registrations
- on registration the client GUID must be provided. registration could even be done from inside the client menu.

Anyway, I don't know all the details how this all is managed on the BZFlag Forums, but they do, and playing that game has been a lot more fun since they introduced it. To tell the truth, most server owners where totaly against this concept. Once it prooved how easy maintaining a server is and keeping it troublefree, and that a system like this can work in a way that the opensource community acceptes it, there are now hardly any servers left that do not use global authentication. And those that don't are not great fun to play on.

These are just ideas....i am sure that tomorrow i will think that half of the ideas are crap and won't work. But maybe they are helpful in getting a solution. And remember, its the free will of the server owner if he wants to use the authentication service or not, or for which servers to use it.

Eeeeeew

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« Reply #95 on: January 11, 2007, 10:03:17 am »
Quote from: "Belier13"
Hahaha, haha. Haha.

Does anybody remember when I suggested to ban PL and BR? Well, what comes around comes around. You fucking own Lava Croft, you did good there.

Now, just ban french, just look at Greudin.. pffft. No but seriously, take in consideration banning BR. They are not smart enough to run tremulous yet, but it will comes.. just wait.

Once again, good job. You are not THAT gay after all.

omg omg omg I missed that before :/
The biggest Nazi shit I've ever seen says that ur right... pathatic.

Now u should change server name from:
|satGNU| Have fun
to
|satGnu| All racist Have fun


Quote from: "Greudin"
Rose-PL just kicked me from KocourCZ server, reason : "racism not allowed".
(...)
No offence, posted it for *humour* purpose but not to exarcebate nationalims.


1. Im rose, not rose-PL... so dont change my nick. I never hide that I'm form Poland.
2. U have strange sense of humor. I don't think this it's funny :/ Racism is seriously problem as u can see.
3. sorry that I kicked u... I thought ur like Belier13, Lava etc... sry :/



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« Reply #96 on: January 11, 2007, 10:14:24 am »
request added, now with "all racists have fun"

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« Reply #97 on: January 11, 2007, 12:28:07 pm »
Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.
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« Reply #98 on: January 11, 2007, 12:31:58 pm »
ZOMG ROLFLOLMAO

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« Reply #99 on: January 11, 2007, 12:32:10 pm »
FISH

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« Reply #100 on: January 11, 2007, 12:33:32 pm »
Interesting reactions...
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« Reply #101 on: January 11, 2007, 12:39:58 pm »
FISH

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« Reply #102 on: January 11, 2007, 01:35:06 pm »
And very mature, might i add.
Guess thats satgnu style..
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« Reply #103 on: January 11, 2007, 01:43:14 pm »
FISH

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« Reply #104 on: January 11, 2007, 03:13:21 pm »
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Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.

Quote from: "Solo"
Interesting reactions...

Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?

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« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2007, 03:41:14 pm »
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Quote from: "Solo"
Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.

Quote from: "Solo"
Interesting reactions...

Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?


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« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2007, 03:46:53 pm »
FISH

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« Reply #107 on: January 11, 2007, 03:55:55 pm »
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Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Quote from: "Solo"
Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.

Quote from: "Solo"
Interesting reactions...

Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?


A remark doesnt require a reply, but may result in a reaction.

This is a forum, you can't do anything else here but either ignore it or reply to it.

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« Reply #108 on: January 11, 2007, 04:24:17 pm »
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Quote from: "Solo"
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Quote from: "Solo"
Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.

Quote from: "Solo"
Interesting reactions...

Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?


A remark doesnt require a reply, but may result in a reaction.

This is a forum, you can't do anything else here but either ignore it or reply to it.


FISH?
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« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2007, 04:51:54 pm »
FISH!

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« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2007, 05:10:21 pm »
Quote from: "kaziorvb"
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Quote from: "Solo"
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Quote from: "Solo"
Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.

Quote from: "Solo"
Interesting reactions...

Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?


A remark doesnt require a reply, but may result in a reaction.

This is a forum, you can't do anything else here but either ignore it or reply to it.


FISH?

This is called a reply.

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« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2007, 05:13:24 pm »
Whatever, Mr IMSOGODDAMNUBERATTHISTECHNICALBS... :)
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« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2007, 05:22:20 pm »
Well Mr."I am sooo good at English", seems you don't understand your own language at all.

When are you going to take a hint?
It just makes a fool out of you if you insult the server-owners and then whine when they deny you the privilege of using theirs services for wich you did not even pay.

So get a clue and take a hike you freeloading leech.

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« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2007, 06:05:54 pm »
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FISH!

WOOF IM A CLOWN!

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« Reply #114 on: January 11, 2007, 07:27:39 pm »
Quote from: "jhaa"
It's not racist because the poles aren't a race.


jhaa, sometimes you just PISS ME OFF. Please, take the FUCKING SWASTIKA OUT OF YOUR SIG and stop talking such BULLSHIT. I don't even care if it was meant a a joke, saying something like that and having a swastika sign beneath it is just NOT funny anymore.
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« Reply #115 on: January 11, 2007, 08:00:50 pm »
what swastika?
I see a coloured sig saying Satgnu.

And Poles indeed arent a race, they are a nation, so racism doesnt apply.

Racism is when i hate black ppl, or asians, or arians.
Those are races, in countries live ppl with different races, and those are called nations.

So nations are a accumulation of races under one flag, and under one government.

Hating a country, and their ppl isnt racist.

Once and for all, its not racism if you hate a nation. It maybe is called Neo liberal nationalism or sth, but not racism.

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« Reply #116 on: January 11, 2007, 09:28:22 pm »
There was a swastika in his sig, but he removed it.
And racism or not, it *is* discrimination.
Any and all discrimination is wrong, and anyone who defends or otherwise supports such discrimination, or the servers who do it, is wrong.

I myself will not be playing on Satgnu again.
If you don't like discrimination, then boycott Satgnu!
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« Reply #117 on: January 11, 2007, 09:33:47 pm »
All newbs should now indiscriminately swarm the MG-servers and complain to David if they get  kicked :)

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« Reply #118 on: January 11, 2007, 09:44:09 pm »
What's the big deal of having swastika in the sig? It's very common symbol.
Mine was roundel of the Finnish Air Force. But since some people failed to think rationally and started attacking me about it, I took it off.

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« Reply #119 on: January 11, 2007, 10:41:45 pm »
WTF is going on here oO.
What discrimination ?
what swatiska?..
ah i remember .. saw it on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force